Phonic
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 291
- Joined: 2011/04/04 13:13:38
- Status: offline
Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
I have a few synths that output to multiple channels in Sonar (ie utonic), this is used for each drum to be on it's own track. When I freeze the synth all the output channels are frozen to their respective output tracks which is desireable, however all the tracks also render to the main MIDI source track in effect doubling the frozen tracks. Then I have to select the main MIDI track and mute all the clips to prevent playback. How can I freeze multi output synths without doubling up the tracks?
i7 4770k @ 3.5 Ghz 24 GB DDR 3 Windows 7 64 bit Sonar Platinum Foxboro 64 bit MOTU 828 MK3 UAD-2 Quad
|
noynekker
Max Output Level: -66 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1235
- Joined: 2012/01/12 01:09:45
- Location: POCO, by the river, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/05/29 23:14:10
(permalink)
Hi Phonic . . . do you have all of your tracks to be frozen inside one track folder ? When you first inserted the soft synth did you choose simple instrument track or midi + multiple audio tracks ? I usually have my midi track outside of the track folder. When creating drum soft synth I have it inserted as midi + multi audio tracks, assigning each to different outputs. Perhaps try inserting session drummer soft synth using insert - track template, and see if you still have this issue when freezing the session drummer audio track.
|
Nizenithal
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
- Total Posts : 2
- Joined: 2012/05/19 11:26:45
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/05/30 00:02:23
(permalink)
well grats on gettin that far after numerous crashes or my favorite the pretend to start but don't just hang out in my services tab with no ui and you cant just end the process no that would be too easy i have to do a hard reset as for support yea forget that the one time i did stay on hold for an hour they told me to reinstall no what im going to do is just take it as a $500 loss and dig out the hacked version of 8.3 i use to have worked flawlessly by the way and go back to using that and my sys is bout the smae as yours cept i dont have ssd and im using a foucusrite 18i6 and an akai mpk49
|
noynekker
Max Output Level: -66 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1235
- Joined: 2012/01/12 01:09:45
- Location: POCO, by the river, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/05/30 01:22:24
(permalink)
Nizenithal . . . what has this got to do with Phonic's question ? Perhaps you are frustrated, and just venting ? Why not start your own thread, with computer specs and more details about your system, so the forum members can help with your crashing issues ?
|
chuckebaby
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 13146
- Joined: 2011/01/04 14:55:28
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/05/30 01:48:31
(permalink)
Nizenithal well grats on gettin that far after numerous crashes or my favorite the pretend to start but don't just hang out in my services tab with no ui and you cant just end the process no that would be too easy i have to do a hard reset as for support yea forget that the one time i did stay on hold for an hour they told me to reinstall no what im going to do is just take it as a $500 loss and dig out the hacked version of 8.3 i use to have worked flawlessly by the way and go back to using that and my sys is bout the smae as yours cept i dont have ssd and im using a foucusrite 18i6 and an akai mpk49 mentioning your using a hacked copy of sonar 8.3 REPORTED
Windows 8.1 X64 Sonar Platinum x64 Custom built: Asrock z97 1150 - Intel I7 4790k - 16GB corsair DDR3 1600 - PNY SSD 220GBFocusrite Saffire 18I8 - Mackie Control
|
Phonic
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 291
- Joined: 2011/04/04 13:13:38
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/05/30 11:10:57
(permalink)
noynekker - I have been using simple instrument tracks without a folder. Do I need to use folders to prevent this? Is there a way I can start to use them in the current project?
i7 4770k @ 3.5 Ghz 24 GB DDR 3 Windows 7 64 bit Sonar Platinum Foxboro 64 bit MOTU 828 MK3 UAD-2 Quad
|
noynekker
Max Output Level: -66 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1235
- Joined: 2012/01/12 01:09:45
- Location: POCO, by the river, Canada
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/06/01 01:43:31
(permalink)
Phonic . . . to be honest, from your description, I'm not sure what you have going on ? I insert my drums as a multi audio track template, then put the midi track outside the folder. When I freeze the drums, I'm freezing the audio portion inside the track folder. I think whenever you are using multiple tracks (esp drums) for a soft synth, you should not use simple instrument track, it should be mapped to multiple tracks. Perhaps try inserting a drum track template, then cut and paste the midi from your old midi track to the new midi track generated by the inserted track template.
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/06/01 12:48:36
(permalink)
all the tracks also render to the main MIDI source track in effect doubling the frozen tracks. Then I have to select the main MIDI track and mute all the clips to prevent playback. This is bizarre. I use multi-out synths on a regular basis and have never seen such behavior. When a synth is frozen, it is normally unloaded from memory, assuming you have the "unload synth on disconnect" option enabled. After that happens, the synth is effectively gone from the project entirely. You are using separate MIDI and audio tracks, right? As opposed to an instrument track?
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|
Phonic
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 291
- Joined: 2011/04/04 13:13:38
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/06/01 15:29:09
(permalink)
Bitflipper - I am at work now and will have to check later, but I am fairly sure I have the "unload synth on disconnect" option selected. I am using Simple Instrument tracks and am not using folders, perhaps I should try folders and non-simple instrument tracks? In regard to MIDI and audio - I have a main MIDI track (the simple instrument track) with audio tracks below. Each of these audio tracks is set to recieve audio from uTonic on a different number (1-8). When I freeze the main MIDI track, the audio tracks below freeze correctly, but a duplicate copy of all the tracks pile up on the MIDI track which is what I then need to mute. Perhaps I am not understanding how to use simple instrument tracks correctly and will have to dig through the manual later?
i7 4770k @ 3.5 Ghz 24 GB DDR 3 Windows 7 64 bit Sonar Platinum Foxboro 64 bit MOTU 828 MK3 UAD-2 Quad
|
bitflipper
01100010 01101001 01110100 01100110 01101100 01101
- Total Posts : 26036
- Joined: 2006/09/17 11:23:23
- Location: Everett, WA USA
- Status: offline
Re:Proper Freezing of Multi-Output Synths
2012/06/01 16:47:29
(permalink)
There's your problem, I think. Don't use instrument tracks for multi-out synths.
 All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. My Stuff
|