Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain)

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Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain)

The proper way to tune is A= 432Hz is that true?
I have been doing some research on tuning and to me 432Hz sounds better then 440Hz or 444Hz how about you guys?
This is the math behind this…
http://youtu.be/VS3tureL0UQ
440Hz vs. 432Hz (sound comparison)
http://youtu.be/P5ILuyaZIO4
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/21 16:19:23 (permalink)
    In my opinion, the proper way to tune is the way that is best for your song as well as the performers. It creates a cascading effect for everything in the song including the musicians.

    Some singers do a better job when they sing something a half a step down. This makes the band tune a half a step down from 440. This makes guitar and bass strings have less tension which can make these instruments easier to play as well as allow a player with weaker fingers enjoy bending strings a bit easier. This can also make a song sound a little darker. The lower something is tuned, the darker it can sound.

    The higher something is tuned, the more poppy it can sound. So in my opinion, there is no proper way other than the way that best fits your personal situation. I personally like 440 the best so that's what I use for everything.

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/21 18:29:38 (permalink)
    The proper standard is A=440Hz. (that is after a Nazi also back in WWII, I think Godel is his name). But the history of tuning is different at different ages, and in Russia a while back it was 435Hz, also I think at one time when I do not remember but it can be looked up on the Internet was 427Hz. Depends on the instruments of the ages, but the current standard took place about WWII. In France, opera singers were using a higher pitch for standard A, of about I have to guess trying to remember of about 452Hz or something, but they went on strike because it was wrecking the singer's voices being that much higher of a pitch, and they wanted it lowered. Well, I use the standard A=440Hz, because that was what I was taught, as well as it being the standard of today. (432Hz was brought up because of numbers and such numerology or something like that but it sounds flat after a while and the dullness of the tones gets boring to me after awhile. Just some people trying to claim they know something about music when they are just going by numbers just don't mean that much to actual people in the Industry especially Orchestral Symphonies and such.)

     
     
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/21 18:38:41 (permalink)
    For what it's worth: the consensus amoung musical historians is that A was tuned to 415Hz back around 1700.  A few cents down from 440 is nothing, really.
     
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/21 18:58:09 (permalink)
    This thread blew my mind and opened up a ton of questions. Off to google....Thanks!
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/21 19:25:43 (permalink)
    I know this has been doing the rounds a lot on the internet recently, but it is utter nonsense.
     
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/21 19:38:00 (permalink)
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/22 07:40:39 (permalink)
    For me it all depends on the singers range & comfort zone. I prefer to tune a little lower as I have a lower voice to start with. Though for some reason tuning to E flat tends to piss me off and nothing sounds right so for most of my projects/bands if I am singing lead I tune a full step down. D G C F A D That is my comfort zone and leaves enough head room for me vocally to properly utilize my strongest vocal range.

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/22 08:22:08 (permalink)
    I use 440. 

    I like it because it is the accepted standard in most music these days. With my tuners set to 440, I can tune up and jump into a jam session or throw a song on and play along and I'm in tune. 

    There was a time (in the 60's and 70's) when that was not always the case. I even bought a  JVC record turntable with a strobe speed control so I could "tune" the records to my guitar and not the other way around.  There wasn't a set standard apparently in the studios or with the bands.  Now, it's rare to find one not using 440. (At least on country radio) 

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/22 13:57:56 (permalink)
    Yeah, I've always used 440 and never paid it much thought til now.
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/22 15:28:29 (permalink)
    if i do not have a keyboard part in the song (and sometimes even if i do).....

    i tune down, usually between a half step to a whole step, and tune all my guitars to whatever tuning the first one i pick up happens to be in.

    seriously.


    i just don't care.

    as long as i'm in tune.


    with myself.

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/23 00:17:19 (permalink)
    The standard and what instruments are tuned to is A=440Hz. That is even guitar tuners.

     
     
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/23 01:38:36 (permalink)
    I think it was here on the forum that I recently read about this. The "standard" varies between countries and even between symphony orchestras.

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/23 11:02:08 (permalink)
    Yeah I started reading more into it and didn't know it was thing. Kind of makes me want to experiment.
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/23 13:12:26 (permalink)

    The current standard is 440 probably because it is a nice even number.  Many European orchestras like to tune higher because it gives them a more brilliant sound.  The standard in the US was 440 or slightly lower for a darker, more romantic sound.  

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/23 14:53:55 (permalink)
    all of my pitchforks (4) are 440.


    piano is tuned to 440

    my tuner will tune to any pitch, it does not care at all about 440

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/24 09:21:31 (permalink)

    Wow lots of opinions, thanks for reading and writing, I read that different frequencies effect the human brain differently, (these slight variations have a profound effect on subconscious) doctors use music for healing and spas for relaxation,  read  a lot about it being around A=444Hz and some say A=432Hz, and almost all say 440Hz causes disharmony in human society. I don’t believe everything I read on the internet as most are people's opinions, but I must say I do find the idea of experimenting fascinating.
       

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/24 10:27:28 (permalink)
    here's a simple test:

    take all the best 'feelgood' top 40 hits of the last 40 years..

    boil them all down to what pitch they were tuned to.


    find the most common pitch.


    that's the one that hits the most people i guess.




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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/25 17:41:56 (permalink)
    My guess Bats is that you would find the common thread being tuned to standard 440 & the most common progression being G,C, & D (in any order really but those are the chords/keys I'd put my money on in that test).

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/05/25 17:53:36 (permalink)
    Hearing some guitar player's tone is what causes the dis-harmony.

     
     
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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/06/01 01:05:48 (permalink)
    440, 441, whatever it takes. Seriously though? When tuning a guitar? Or any "stringed" or "performance" instrument, it is very difficult to get it exact? And even if you do, as you play an acoustic guitar, it is warmed by your body, and the strings are affected. So unless you tune each string, using a strobe, after every few measures, it will float ever so slightly... But it doesn't matter because you can't hear it, and neither can anyone listening to the performance. What is key is that it sounds good in the end, not the number of vibrations in a given key.

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    Re:Proper tuning for psychoacoustics (positive effect on brain) 2013/06/03 10:13:30 (permalink)
    Hey, PCODE, you haven't been reading this thread by any chance?


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