fooman
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Putting the PC to sleep
I run X1d (waiting for a patch for X2 before I head on over), and have never put my PC into sleep mode. It was running a bit nuts, so decided to try rather than shut er down.
All seemed well, but when I ran Sonar after awakening it, my UAD plugs wouldn't load because it said it didn't have the authorization file, Sonar would crash when opening, and Firefox wouldn't even connect to the net.
So it's likely not an X1 thing, just the way Win 7 'wakes up'. Anyone have any insight to this??
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 09:33:07
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I always use sleep... so before you assume its win7, i would try some more tests.. putting into and out of sleep...as this modeworks perfectly well, but know there are some items to consider like external USB devices..you may need to manage the power to them (selective suspend) so that they either keep power during sleep or can go to sleep (if ou know what i mean..lol)
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 09:36:06
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Face it, you just got to reboot once in awhile.
I've recently started putting my computer in sleep mode at night (just 'cause, I'm not sure why) and most of the time it wakes up fine. Sometimes it gets locked up to the point where I have to power down. So my experiece has Windows 7 as being a little erratic in the sleep mode. Can't tell you much more than that. I've also had my monitor not wake up and needed to unplug from the wall.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 10:00:32
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Mine's either fully off or on. We don't need no stinking sleep mode! 
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fooman
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 10:36:36
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I don't have a lame PC, it's pretty powerful. However, I still need to reboot once in awhile. All computers do, mac PC, everything. If someone tells you otherwise, they either don't use it for work or they run perfect software.
I haven't tested anything really, as I literally have done this once and this was the result. I figured I'd ask for experienced opinions ;)
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 11:32:20
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Sleep is for the weak!!! When your PC goes to sleep, I'm pretty sure it releases ram and other things. The only thing i have set is a screen saver so my screens do not burn out, but my pc stays on, unless i turn it off.
I keep my PC on for days at a time. sometimes even for a week and i never had any problems starting Sonar or windows explorer. I do make a point of restarting it every so often, as this is good for the PC.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 11:37:44
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Windows and most very common drivers are fine with sleep or hibernate. But you've discovered some drivers that are not so fine. No sleep for you!
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fooman
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 11:40:21
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Agreed. I often keep mine on for weeks. However, after heavy work within Sonar, it often needs a rest... hence the sleep experiment... which failed miserably on my system haha.
I was told a long time ago that restarting your computer often isn't great for the system, but this could very well be an old-wives-tale, or untrue based on the newer software/hardware of today.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 11:41:55
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Bristol_Jonesey
Mine's either fully off or on.
We don't need no stinking sleep mode!
+1 on that
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 11:48:10
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If I'm leaving my PC alone for a long time and I don't want to shut it down, I just do a "lock" instead. Keeps everything on but password protects it. There's no real reason to shut down a computer UNLESS either:
1) Power usage is an issue
2) You have been told to restart because of an install/update
3) Something has gone seriously wrong.
I know someone who keeps his PC on for months at a time. I guess it saves on the hard drive, because those things fail after a certain number of revolutions and the boot process is quite HD heavy.
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fooman
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 13:09:20
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I also lock my PC anytime I walk away from it. shortcut is the windows btn (dunno the actual proper name haha) + L.
Edit: The reason I lock so much is so nobody accidentally presses a button or messes with the mouse and causes catastrophic deletions or copies data somewhere, etc etc. As well as if someone asks if I can "record this real quick" when they aren't paying me, I can say "my computer isn't ready to record and takes a bit to get going". White lie ;)
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 14:48:34
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restarting is fine and no problem...powering down and back-up again over and over is not good for your system
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 15:04:15
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"There's no real reason to shut down a computer UNLESS either: 1) Power usage is an issue 2) You have been told to restart because of an install/update 3) Something has gone seriously wrong. " #4 should be: "Unless common sense is involved". In my opinion it's just reasonable to turn the thing off, when I've stopped using it for the day. If the machine is locked, not hibernating, doesn't the HDD spin all the time (they used to)? They last for a certain amount of hours, and a week of spinning in vain is clearly off from it's active life span, is it not? One excuse for not shutting down is that those usually get broken during the boot,but it's a lame excuse I think. In the tube-display era having only the display switched on 24/7, even though the PC was off, could cut the life span of the displays by 30-50%. I don't know how it is with the LCDs. If a big state office, with thousands of computers was caught having PCs running 24/7, it would be accused for wasting tax payers money and straining the environment. Carrying the tiny responsibilities starts from each of us. We're sucking the globe dry anyway...(stops preaching, slightly blushed).
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 15:05:01
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Mine's either fully off or on. We don't need no stinking sleep mode! +1
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 15:09:35
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If you've finished with your PC for the day - shut it down, unless you are running a server.
Stop wasting energy!
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/18 15:42:51
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Exactly. Being a mere mortal with a "proper" day job, I switch it on when I get home and off when I go to bed. Weekends are different, I'll switch in on in the morning and it will be on all day. I don't lock it because I'm the only one in the house who even goes in the studio, apart from when we're writing lyrics/doing vocals. The only time I do leave it overnight is when I'm doing a full backup (which I should do more often )
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 15:28:49
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CakeAlexS
If you've finished with your PC for the day - shut it down, unless you are running a server.
Stop wasting energy!
Or unless you run scheduled overnight backups, defrags, virus scans, update-fetching etc........
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fooman
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 15:33:16
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I do all of that at night while I sleep. Scheduled and all that.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 15:35:45
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Then you are not finished! If you are lucky enough for these processes to give you an option to run another program after they complete (most good backup apps should for instance), you can then run shutdown.exe. Or investigate how to use batch files, or wait till the next day.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 16:30:09
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CJaysMusic
Sleep is for the weak!!! When your PC goes to sleep, I'm pretty sure it releases ram and other things. The only thing i have set is a screen saver so my screens do not burn out, but my pc stays on, unless i turn it off.
I keep my PC on for days at a time. sometimes even for a week and i never had any problems starting Sonar or windows explorer. I do make a point of restarting it every so often, as this is good for the PC.
CJ
Same here except that I put my monitors to sleep rather than use a screen saver.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 16:53:01
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I shut down every night. Not sure why people would think that's bad for the system. Never heard of the hard drive thing and I guess it kind of makes sense but leaving it on all the time sucks all sorts of extra dust and crap into it, wastes power and reduces the risk of damage due to power outages or surges (yes I have a surge protector but not a UPS). I can't imagine having juice running through all the gizmos and doodads non stop is good for them either. Unless someone can give me an authoritative reason to do otherwise I think I'll stick to just turning the beast off when I'm done for the day.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 17:22:12
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I shut down every night. Not sure why people would think that's bad for the system. Never heard of the hard drive thing and I guess it kind of makes sense but leaving it on all the time sucks all sorts of extra dust and crap into it, wastes power and reduces the risk of damage due to power outages or surges (yes I have a surge protector but not a UPS). I can't imagine having juice running through all the gizmos and doodads non stop is good for them either. Unless someone can give me an authoritative reason to do otherwise I think I'll stick to just turning the beast off when I'm done for the day.
Not that I'm right and I might be completely off base here but I liken it to a light bulb. Light bulbs usually burn out when you turn them on, not when they're already on.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 17:45:17
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Light bulbs are a pretty different. Very delicate filament in gas. A car would probably be a better analogy for a computer. I guess I see more things possibly going wrong by keeping it running then putting it through the boot process. I used to leave my old system running for ages. It still works but I have to completely take it apart and clean it because all the fans are gunked up and the guts are COVERED in dust. I think it's screwing up my vid signals and I'm sure other stuff. I want to avoid that with the new system.
The only thing I could see going wonky from boots are the hard drives (mine are mechanical) and MAYBE the fans. Nothing else should burn out because it's all pretty much solid hardware connections. I'm no expert though so maybe Jim could come back and give us his thoughts.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 17:45:23
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i dont use sleep, but I shure could use some !! FooMan load x-2 , you will love it !!
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 17:56:38
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Considering that approx. a 3rd of my life is going to be spent sleeping, it's no wonder that the older I get, the less I need (most of it has already been used in my teenage years anyways). Now if I could only figure out how to reduce the expected 4 years of my life that I will spend on the bowl...
As for the DAW, I start it up when needed and shut it down when done. The days of having multiple machines ON 24/7 is long gone and my pocket book has been quite happy about it all.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 18:17:03
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Moving parts wear out eventually (even the bit between your legs), that's why hard drives are a pain in the ruddy ass!
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 18:28:10
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Yeah but when was the last time you heard of anyone actually have one fail (in a DAW setting with regular maintenance and good housekeeping, and using reputable drives?)
Provided you've got everything backed up - and we all have don't we? - the cost benefit of having to replace a drive every 5 years is miniscule compared to the power savings from switching your pc off every night rather than leaving it on 24/7/365 - for 5 years, if you're comparing like with like.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 19:19:13
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For nearly 15 years I have ALWAYS disabled sleep on all my, and my client's computers.
For 98, and for XP, many computers would not awaken. Hence, unsaved files were to often lost. And lost power ment possible disk corruption. Sleep is a stupid option.
But, hibernate is my little friend. Power button, sleep button, close lid, all enable hibernate mode.
But not on the music comp: no power stuff is enabled.
(For w7 and w8 I also disable ALL assessment and reporting tasks, via the task scheduler.)
My moto, don't try to fix what should not exist.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 19:24:47
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I have 8 computers in the house/office.
All of them are hibernated/powered-off each night
About 45 seconds to boot from hibernate.
The music comp boots cold in less than 2 minutes. And the coffee is enjoyed.
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Re:Putting the PC to sleep
2012/10/19 19:28:58
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Alegria
Now if I could only figure out how to reduce the expected 4 years of my life that I will spend on the bowl... At least a netbook should reside in the potty room. And. remote access to all the other computers in the house reduces the feeling of lost life-time. I don't get the paper or any magazine. All news and misc reading is now done via the comps. Comp access everywhere is required.
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