cataloguemusic
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Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
Hey Guys
I'm currently putting a track together with a very Scottish cinematic intro to it, but I seem to find that most of the bagpipe sounds I have stumbled upon are not that great.
Has anyone got quality samples that I could use for the keyboard ?
FYI ... the Uilleann pipes are similar in sound but a slightly different flavour to them. Bryan Adams used them on his unplugged album.
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RobertB
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/07 19:36:43
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You may already be doing this, but try a sustained G or A two octaves below middle C while you key in your notes. This adds the squeezebag element to it and helps even the Edirol VSC bagpipe sound fairly decent.
Sorry I can't steer you toward a better sample, just a note on technique.
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/07 21:30:49
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Thanks for that advice, Robert - I was watching this one 'cause I was interested, too, and your advice will help for free!
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/07 22:14:38
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I'm currently putting a track together with a very Scottish cinematic intro to it, but I seem to find that most of the bagpipe sounds I have stumbled upon are not that great. However, if you're looking for authenticity, this would not be the right instrument since it is actually the Irish version of the traditional Scottish bagpipes. Enya (who is also Irish) has used them on a few of her pieces.
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Beagle
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/07 22:57:15
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GASP!!! CHOKE!!! SPEW!!!!  WHAT?!?!?! IRISH?!?! I can't play IRISH bagpipes!!! That's an abomination!!! Reeeeallly....  Beagle Bain of the McBain Clan of the Inverness Shire, Scotland (well, my GGGGGGrandfather, anyway!)
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RobertB
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/08 00:29:38
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Aye lads. Hoist a pint to the McBains of the Inverness! Hey!Hey!
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/08 02:20:03
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Enya (who is also Irish) has used them on a few of her pieces. Dave's still on the Enya kick? 
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/08 11:05:04
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To elaborate on what RobertB contributed...I found that if you want to have even a chance of sounding like bagpipes, restrict your playing to the following:
Left Hand or Bass: Low A in octaves (record on separate track first, so that you have hands free for the below)
RH: use only these notes: A B C# D E F# G(use a little pitch bend to get it a bit flat) and A (use a little modulation wheel as this one usually is a bit thin and whiney...
This has to do with the limitations of the real instrument... you'll find even soundcard samples sound pretty good if you try the above...
If you're interested, I could also suggest a few ways to make the melody sound more bagpipey...
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/08 12:24:42
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I'm interested! Lead on, MacDuff! (jgirv) 
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/08 13:36:21
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...sorry to be slightly off-Cakewalk topic here, but just a quick reply to Beagle re:bagpipes:
If you listen to any bagpipe music, especially that which most folks would instantly recognize, you'll notice lots of little ornaments to the main melody notes... even if you are not a keyboard player, I'm sure you can play a few bars of "Amazing Grace" by ear, for example... now, go back and add notes that "surround" the main melody notes... like:
(A- Ma- Zing Grace, how sweet the sound) A D F# D F# E D B A
now becomes: A Dedc#D F# eD F#gF# E DaD B AbabA.
See if that makes any sense!! --- best. jg
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Beagle
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/08 14:22:33
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I think I understand, jg, thanks! I'll give it a try!
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superdan54
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/13 10:49:44
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I'm in the same boat...looking for some high quality samples. Here's a Celtic sample CD I found from zero-g. The link is to East West Samples, which includes an amazing sounding demo. Zero-G Celtic Sample CD This version is a less expensive AUD/WAV. But there is also a GIGA sample CD available for $50-100 more.
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Beagle
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/13 10:59:53
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Less expensive is definately relative! 
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/13 11:11:55
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I found the GIGA version for $129.95, and I'm sure you can probably find it in the $100 range as well. Ok so I have a question of my own now. What exactly is the difference between a WAV sample CD and a GIGA sample CD? Am I correct in assuming that the GIGA CD would allow the samples to be used as playable instruments, whereas the WAV CD would just have Drum-loop esque samples? I'm new to the Sample CD realm, so pardon my ignorance.
post edited by superdan54 - 2006/04/13 11:19:32
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papa2004
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/14 02:18:02
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ORIGINAL: superdan54
I found the GIGA version for $129.95, and I'm sure you can probably find it in the $100 range as well.
Ok so I have a question of my own now. What exactly is the difference between a WAV sample CD and a GIGA sample CD? WAV Sample CD's are actual recordings of loops or individual "hits" of various instruments that you can copy into your project (or trigger from a sample player capable of importing WAV files)... GIGA Sample CD's are in the GigaStudio Format (gsf) and can only be used with sample players that can load/play GigaStudio samples...This is a very compicated subject; CLICK HERE to find out more about how GigaStudio samples work...
Am I correct in assuming that the GIGA CD would allow the samples to be used as playable instruments, whereas the WAV CD would just have Drum-loop esque samples? I'm new to the Sample CD realm, so pardon my ignorance.
See my previous response above...But yes, (if you have the proper sample player) the Giga CD would allow you to play the same notes/expressions as a "real" instrument (with a MIDI keyboard controller) in real time or recording the MIDI data track and bouncing to Audio...You'll need enough HD space to load the files from the Giga CD, and you'll want to have the DFD (Direct-From-Disk) extension installed...You don't want to even BEGIN to try to play the samples from the CD...You need to have the files installed on one of your hard drives (preferably an external one with plenty of storage space)... Hope this helps a bit!
post edited by papa2004 - 2006/04/14 02:29:50
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superdan54
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/14 09:51:18
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Thanks Papa, that's exactly what I needed to hear!
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papa2004
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/15 02:21:43
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Always glad to be able to help. BTW, GigaStudio is an excellent product...A bit on the expensive side for the "hobbyist" but the samples are truly believable (if you're a competent MIDI player with a versatile keyboard)... For a comprehensive resource on learning all the intricacies of orchestrating/arranging MIDI tracks, THIS BOOK is an excellent addition to any MIDI musician's library... For beginners and intermediate level MIDI users, THIS BOOK is a great choice to take your skills to another level... Now then, back to this thread's original topic...superdan's link to the Zero-G Celtic CD is a great lead...I listened to the demo and I was impressed--I also read the review and was a bit disappointed to read, "...and although one-shot multisampled instruments are provided, the bulk of the material is recorded performances for you to loop and edit."...Nonetheless, what I heard sounded excellent...I'm sure it's well-worth the $147.60 (where'd they come up with that price?) investment and I have added it to my "Consider this for near-future purchase" list... I also found THIS GigaStudio Sample CD of Rare Instruments from East West Quantum Leap's library collection...Listened to the demo and was really impressed...This one's $249.95 and is shipped on 3 CD-ROM's (can you say, large file sizes?)...I've also added this to my "Consider...." list...As a user of EWQL's Symphonic Orchestra sample library, I would not hesitate to purchase any EWQL product... The demo presentations of both libraries are impressive, I will probably end up buying them both (as my budget priorities allow)...I should mention that I was really impressed with the 6-string acoustic guitar samples I heard on the Zero-G demo... And on that note, I shall uncork my bottle of Bailey's Irish Cream and prepare for a good night's sleep...
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/21 10:07:26
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Let's resurrect this subject! I found a free soundfont of some bagpipes that isn't too bad. I've also done a lot of research on it since this subject arose and have found some very interesting stuff. First of all, bagpipes only have 9 notes that are played and music for them is written in the key of A. However, A on a bagpipe actually SOUNDS like Bb. The soundfonts I have found which are "fairly authentic" have only 9 notes to play (plus they give you a couple of Bb (A) notes lower on the scale for the "squeeze bag effect" as Robert put it). I have been searching for a soundfont which was actually recordings of someone playing a set of pipes instead of a synth, but I have not found that yet (at least not in my budget...some of the stuff that papa and others were talking about in this thread might be exactly what I was searching for, but I can't afford it just for this one song...maybe later). Anyway - having said all that, here is a "decent" bagpipe soundfont which is "authentic" in that it gives you only 9 notes + some "squeezebag notes". Now...here's the BAD part: The soundfont has its data recorded in the correct frequency. In other words, if you are reading sheetmusic written for bagpipes (in A), then you will have to transpose the notes because A in the sheetmusic = Bb on the MIDI controller!!! Here it is if anyone is interested: http://www.sf2midi.com/index.php?page=sdet&id=5956 This website also has a sf file called, "bagpipes" - but it is not quite as good as this one is. Ceud Mile Failte
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/21 12:23:27
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You can enter the bagpipe part as-written, and then just use the Key+ control in the MIDI track to make it sound right.
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Beagle
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
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RE: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2006/04/21 20:24:22
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Thanks Beagle, I'll check that out. Maybe it's just the wee bit o' Scott in the bloodline, but I think 'pipes are really cool.
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/12 12:31:28
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Hi.
Over The Last Month I Have Been Looking For Some Bagpipes Soundfonts on The
Internet, And Found NOTHING GOOD!!!! So, I Decided To Make A Really
Awesome Soundfont With My Bagpipes. I Played Every Note, Including The Drones.
If Interested, Check Post Below.
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/12 12:34:28
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The Bagpipes can be found at sf2midi. com. Just type in bagpipe layers and find the one that says: Emu Bagpipe Layer.sf2.
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/12 13:20:50
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You realise this thread is over 8 years old, of course...
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
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Maurice_Pleazee
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/12 15:07:21
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and if you have Kontakt 5, look in the world instruments folder.
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/12 15:44:28
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Maurice_Pleazee
and if you have Kontakt 5, look in the world instruments folder.
Right, but the one from Boulder Sounds is better.
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/12 15:52:15
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I love Boulder Sounds. They have some awesome free stuff available.
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/13 11:05:38
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Wow! blast from the past! 8 years ago - this post was probably in my first 20 posts or so!
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Re: Quality Bagpipes or Uilleann Pipes Wanted!
2014/10/13 11:35:55
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2014/10/13 11:42:12
And not a single request for bagpipes in all the intervening years. Strange.
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