Quantizing clips length

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2011/03/09 06:58:09 (permalink)

Quantizing clips length

I just wanted to know from you, sonar experts, if there is an option somewhere to quantize the midi clip length, so that each clip automatically begins at the beginning of a measure and ends at the end of a measure.
With my settings (which I'm not able to change) the clip start is when Sonar receives the first midi signal and clip end is when the last midi signal is received. Having the midi clip length snapping at measures is a real time saver when looping, copying and pasting, without the need of dragging the clips to adjust their lengths.
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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 07:44:06 (permalink)
    Press 'Q' and Quantize as you wish!
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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 09:36:29 (permalink)
    Thanks for the answer prashan, but maybe my english was not clear enough. I don't want quantize notes or midi events. I'll try to make an example: I hit record at 1.01.000 and then play a single note that starts at 1.04.000 and ends at 3.02.000. The midi clip generated by sonar starts at 1.04.000 and ends at 3.02.000. In other DAWS (such as Cubase), the midi clip produced with the same procedure would create a clip starting at 1.01.000 and ending at 4.01.000. It is, Cubase snaps the clips start and end time to measure. This is done automatically, while in Sonar I have to drag and drop the beginning and the end of the clip. I wanted to know if there's a setting to make Sonar do the same as Cubase.

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:11:54 (permalink)
    The way you deal with this in SONAR is by setting the snap mode to Move By, instead of Move To. Then clips will main their offsets as they are dragged or drag-copied to a different measure.
     
    For looping, you can turn a MIDI clip into a Groove Clip, and any space at the beginning or end of the clip will automatically be filled and preserved as you roll the loop out.
     
    If the clips starts or ends very far from a measure line, you may have to help out the Groove-Clip algorithm by first dragging the ends of the clip to the nearest measure line before enabling Looping.
     
    I'm not a loop-style composer for the most part so there may be better/faster ways of handling this in SONAR that I'm not aware of, and it does seem that the way SONAR handles MIDI clip boundaries is not ideal for this way of working, but this should address the problem in the short term.
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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:24:51 (permalink)
    celius I know what you're talking about and it seems all my MIDI clips begin at 1.01.000 with the note showing at the time it's played. But the clip begins at 1.01.000. Not at my DAW now but could swear it behaves that way and don't know if I have set it up special that way or not.

    As far as having a clip end at a specific now time, not sure how to do that unless there's a loop set up.

    Check 'Options' to see if there's setting that will effect it?
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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:26:40 (permalink)
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    Press 'Q' and Quantize as you wish!

    That's not what the OP is asking for.  Quantizing clip length is not the same as quantizing clip data.
     
     

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:31:00 (permalink)
    Celius,
     
    There is no way I know of in Sonar to have it set clip boundary lengths as you wish.   In all the years I've been working with Sonar, I have just learned to do it myself by:
     - making sure snap to settings are on
     - extending either the end or beginning of the clip boundaries and the chopping where necessary to create a specific clip boundary length.
     
    It only takes a moment to do it, so it's not a big issue for me (I do it literally hundreds of times a day lol).
     
    I WOULD love to see a feature to do this automatically based on the snap value or some other mechanism, but I'm afraid there's no easy solution other than what I've mentioned, that I know of.
     
     

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:33:49 (permalink)
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    celius I know what you're talking about and it seems all my MIDI clips begin at 1.01.000 with the note showing at the time it's played. But the clip begins at 1.01.000. Not at my DAW now but could swear it behaves that way and don't know if I have set it up special that way or not.

    As far as having a clip end at a specific now time, not sure how to do that unless there's a loop set up.

    Check 'Options' to see if there's setting that will effect it?
    There's no way, currently, in Sonar to do that.   At least none I've found.
     
      
     
    post edited by ba_midi - 2011/03/09 11:35:39

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:38:28 (permalink)
    I think you might be able to use copy and paste feature. I thought I done it that way years ago. I now just slip stretch back to the 1, 
    But snap setting move by will definatley work. 

    EDIT:  
     I just tried it.. Pretty easy what I did, First off In my control bar I choose to show the event Inspector, What this dose is what ever clip I touch I see the exact starting point. 
     What I did was copy the clip, then hit paste special , went to the event inspector and copy the numbers , all right click, then pasted those numbers into the paste box, add 100 repetitions and it was done. 

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:43:01 (permalink)
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    I think you might be able to use copy and paste feature. I thought I done it that way years ago. I now just slip stretch back to the 1, 
    But snap setting move by will definatley work.

    The Move By setting mitigates the need to form specific clip boundaries for purposes of having "data" line up, but if someone also likes the visual feedback of having boundaries line up it still won't help.
     
    I don't have Cubase anymore (though I'm seriously considering taking another look at it), but Live, Studio One and - from what I can tell Logic -  do not have this automatic boundary functionality.
     
     

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:49:25 (permalink)
    cubase just released cubase 6 trial i think yesterday 30 day 100% functional. Was scoping that out..

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:53:58 (permalink)
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    cubase just released cubase 6 trial i think yesterday 30 day 100% functional. Was scoping that out..
    I'm pretty sure I'm going to check it out.   I'm not crazy about the e-licenser (not because I'm generally against it, but because it's yet ANOTHER thing in the system to go wrong).
     
    I already have a number of iLok licenses, it's too bad they didn't go with that system to keep my life simple :O 
      
    It's interesting there's still no X1 demo.
     
     
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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 11:59:16 (permalink)
    Thanks to all, friends!
    It's not a big issue, it's only the matter of dragging the clips boundaries after recording.
    I have recently switched to X1 from Cubase where all the clips ends are automatically snapped to measure. So maybe it's just a question of being used to that way of working. In any case, it still seems to me neater and simpler than having to choose between "snap by" or "snap to".
    But, as I said before, it's not a big problem.
    Thanks for help

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 12:03:14 (permalink)
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    Thanks to all, friends!
    It's not a big issue, it's only the matter of dragging the clips boundaries after recording.
    I have recently switched to X1 from Cubase where all the clips ends are automatically snapped to measure. So maybe it's just a question of being used to that way of working. In any case, it still seems to me neater and simpler than having to choose between "snap by" or "snap to".
    But, as I said before, it's not a big problem.
    Thanks for help

    Celius

    I generally set my snap grid to "Whole" (not Measure) and "Move By".   And, while I, too, like to have neatly formed clip boundaries which makes it easy to line up clips, it is actually not that necessary.
    By using the snap settings above, even clips without neat boundaries will copy/move correctly in MOST cases.  So for me, it's more about the visual feedback then actual need to have measure-boundary clips.
     
    Hope that helps a bit.
     
     

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 12:06:27 (permalink)
    It's interesting there's still no X1 demo.


    LOL And it a good thing too did you check out the list of fixes. I sure hope CW nails a home Run with X1b , X1 was a foul ball. 



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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 12:19:03 (permalink)
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    cubase just released cubase 6 trial i think yesterday 30 day 100% functional. Was scoping that out..
    I'm pretty sure I'm going to check it out.   I'm not crazy about the e-licenser (not because I'm generally against it, but because it's yet ANOTHER thing in the system to go wrong).
     
    I already have a number of iLok licenses, it's too bad they didn't go with that system to keep my life simple :O 
      
    It's interesting there's still no X1 demo.
     
      billy do what i did..for cubebase i made a soft liecnce...elicencer walked me through it..instead of an iloc their tech support showed me a way to store it on your computer..ive never had a problem with it...i did have a problem with elicencer..it was s o confusing i had to email them 4 times...i know to some this is easy...but it was my first time..



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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 12:22:42 (permalink)
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    It's interesting there's still no X1 demo.


    LOL And it a good thing too did you check out the list of fixes. I sure hope CW nails a home Run with X1b , X1 was a foul ball. 


    Heh, yeah I checked out the list.  I almost fell asleep reading that looonnng list ;)
     

     

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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 12:24:56 (permalink)
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    cubase just released cubase 6 trial i think yesterday 30 day 100% functional. Was scoping that out..
    I'm pretty sure I'm going to check it out.   I'm not crazy about the e-licenser (not because I'm generally against it, but because it's yet ANOTHER thing in the system to go wrong).
     
    I already have a number of iLok licenses, it's too bad they didn't go with that system to keep my life simple :O 
      
    It's interesting there's still no X1 demo.
     
      billy do what i did..for cubebase i made a soft liecnce...elicencer walked me through it..instead of an iloc their tech support showed me a way to store it on your computer..ive never had a problem with it...i did have a problem with elicencer..it was s o confusing i had to email them 4 times...i know to some this is easy...but it was my first time..


    Charles ... thanks for that info.  When I do it, I'll probably try it that way - for the demo at least.
     
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    Re:Quantizing clips length 2011/03/09 12:36:32 (permalink)
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    Celius,
     
    There is no way I know of in Sonar to have it set clip boundary lengths as you wish.   In all the years I've been working with Sonar, I have just learned to do it myself by:
     - making sure snap to settings are on
     - extending either the end or beginning of the clip boundaries and the chopping where necessary to create a specific clip boundary length.
     
    It only takes a moment to do it, so it's not a big issue for me (I do it literally hundreds of times a day lol).
     
    I WOULD love to see a feature to do this automatically based on the snap value or some other mechanism, but I'm afraid there's no easy solution other than what I've mentioned, that I know of.
     
     

    I too would love this.  One simple option (have recordings stretch to nearest measure) would make life much easier.  I work around it to, but it would be nice not to have too.


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