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Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
The one time I got to visit England it was with a band touring up and down the main island (started in London, worked our way north to Glasgow/Edinburgh then back down to London again). Most of the time the bars we played at made sure we had plenty of booze so we weren't having to pay for/order drinks (and we mostly just bought our own and drank in the tour van). Of course we DID go out on our own on off nights or linger at the gigs and I kept getting told you don't tip your bartender. You buy them a drink. Like you don't have to buy them a drink every time but every few you buy them one. I thought people were yanking my chain (which seems to be quite the little pub hobby... lol) and being a Canadian it's just completely impolite and disrespectful to not AT LEAST leave 50 cents or so on a beer. So I tipped as I normally would and got weird looks... then tried the "buy them a drink thing" and it was all "Cheers, mayte". So, my query... what the heck is that all about?
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2017/12/19 21:58:34
No you don't tip bartenders/barmen/barmaids. Ordering the round and asking '...and one for yourself?' used to be considered polite, but even that's unusual now unless it's your local boozer and you know the bar staff. Hotels might have a tip jar which they may or may not share out amongst the staff.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/19 21:18:42
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jamesg1213 No you don't tip bartenders/barmen/barmaids. Ordering the round and asking '...and one for yourself?' used to be considered polite, but even that's unusual now unless it's your local boozer and you know the bar staff. Hotels might have a tip jar which they may or may not share out amongst the staff.
Is there any history/reason as to why? I hope they at least get paid better than over here in that case. You can make a buttload being a bartender over here but it comes from tips. Dead night? Bad tippers? You outta luck, son. Busy night? Lotsa drunks who just got flush? Kabing!
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2017/12/19 21:58:23
I think it depends on the pub. In your more "homely" local or rural pubs it's common to say "have one for yourself" (which of course is just a fancy way of tipping without it being an actual tip), but I saw this less often in your big city center chain pubs (which you'd probably want to avoid like the plague anyway). Of course your earnings are a lot more stable when there's a solid hourly rate involved and you don't rely on tips, but I would think that bartenders earn more in places like NYC than they do in Britain. Personally I'd rather have a fluctuating income that worked out as more in the long run, than the security of lower earnings from a stable hourly rate. It certainly makes you approach the job with a better attitude. I've worked performance based jobs twice in my life - first as a fitted kitchen and double glazing salesman in the UK, and then by working the Christmas markets in New York. I'd work like crazy in the markets to get that commission and it becomes a sort of personal daily challenge to see if you can top your record.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2017/12/19 21:58:16
I don't know why, sorry. The tipping culture has never really caught on over here, we're just a bunch o' tight-arses.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/19 21:41:24
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I actually did notice a couple times that when I said (the awkward Canuck equivalent) of "and one for yourself?" that the bartender said "Cheers!" and then just pocketed/tilled the money... which was absolutely fine with me because I was just trying to tip the bugger. Of course I never went out of my way to stick around to see whether anyone else actually bought and drank themselves a drink (many did and drank with me if they weren't rushed which was cool) so I just assumed maybe it was a law or tradition but by "buying them a drink" it was a way of tipping them cash without violating some thing I totally don't understand. This has been enlightening though. I still wasn't sure if that was a thing or just in certain situations or what. Now how about at restaurants or delivery people or the usual things us westerners tip for. I think I recall cabbies not being opposed to tips.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2017/12/19 21:58:06
I always tip at restaurants. Never add it to the bill, I leave cash for the waiting staff. Delivery people - nope. Bin men at Christmas, if I see them. The guy who empties my septic tank, definitely. I don't take taxis often but yes, 'keep the change' if I do.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/19 22:08:07
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jamesg1213 I always tip at restaurants. Never add it to the bill, I leave cash for the waiting staff. Delivery people - nope. Bin men at Christmas, if I see them. The guy who empties my septic tank, definitely. I don't take taxis often but yes, 'keep the change' if I do.
but probably a lot less than we would tip over here, right? we're "expected" to tip a minimum of 15% and in the last few years that has been creeping up to 20%. we have these "pay at the table" kiosk thingys in some of the bars/restaurants now where you can pay your bill with your credit card at the table. the "default" tip is set at 20% of your bill, but you can choose to change it to anything.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/19 22:09:18
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I guess I should clarify by "delivery people" I mean like food/booze delivery guys. Not like the postman or fed ex guys. They get a decent wage and bennies. Guy riding his bike/driving his own beat up Gremlin to your house to shovel greasy take out into your face... ya that shlub deserves a tip.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/19 22:13:18
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Beagle but probably a lot less than we would tip over here, right? we're "expected" to tip a minimum of 15% and in the last few years that has been creeping up to 20%. we have these "pay at the table" kiosk thingys in some of the bars/restaurants now where you can pay your bill with your credit card at the table. the "default" tip is set at 20% of your bill, but you can choose to change it to anything.
Assumed tipping tactics annoy me. Also many of the places that pull that crap are pocketing that (or at least a **** of that) for themselves. I'm too poor to go to places like that anyway but if I weren't I'd leave that bugger at 0% and wander around with some sawbucks in my pocket to fill/grease palms as they deserve to be filled. Old school, yo.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/19 22:15:33
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I have NO clue why that triggered the filter or what I even typed.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/19 23:23:24
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Food delivery guys get tips. As do taxi drivers. At least they do in Newcastle - might be a different story down south where people are as tight as a gnat's chuff ;)
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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I always give the pizza guy a fiver. Word got out and now I seldom wait more that 15 minutes after calling it in. They deserve a tip because it's minimum wage and they drive their own cars.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/20 07:31:31
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Nobody delivers food around here. It can get in a taxi by itself.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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420 moon's ago i worked in Glasgow city centre , Just off Saint Vincent street was a boozer called Smiths that had wenches(and mighty pretty at that) that served you at your table and they alway's had a tip jar on tray. It was cool not to push and shove your way to bar.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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I tip at restaurants, usually the standard ten percent. I used to prefer tipping in cash but lately I am finding that I forget to take loose change out with me, so I usually end up putting it on the card. Not sure who actually gets the tip when I do it that way... I think some places nowadays tell their staff to stick any tip they pick up into a pot, or something... Went for a Chinese meal in Manchester the other week, on the way to see Percy Plant, and when I checked the bill, at the bottom it said, "service charge included," so I thought, that'll do me... And I didn't tip. I don't frequent pubs much nowadays. When I did, and I felt inclined to do so, I would say, "and have one for yourself." Going back a bit, and even then the bartender would say, "thanks," and then put a couple of quid in a glass and not actually have a drink. Otherwise they'd be a bit wrecked in short order haha. Food deliveries... Yeah, I give most a standard quid tip. Not much, I know... Not thought about giving much more... I've never tipped anyone for carrying cases to a room or anything like that. Not cos I'm a minge bag, I don't thing, it's just something I have never got used to doing.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/20 14:53:33
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I'm all for tipping the cute waitresses.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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Absolutely
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/12/20 16:15:40
Guys, it won't get you any nearer... Besides, non-cute waitresses need money too.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/20 17:35:39
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In Glasgow it's pretty common to tip at restaurants, although less so at pubs in the city. Outside the city it's more common to offer the bar staff a drink, but not more than one in a night - i.e. not every round! It's pretty normal for them not to take the drink - either by politely refusing, or choosing to put the equivalent cash in a tip jar. On the subject of restaurants, some establishments to "pool" their tips and share them equally among the staff. So if you're particularly impressed with service from an individual, make sure you just give them the cash and specifically say its for them.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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Please, no tipping!!!
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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If I ever get tipped I'm likely to never be upright again.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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☄ Helpfulby ooblecaboodle 2017/12/21 12:58:13
I've never really got my head around the expectation that I should reward someone for doing the basic thing that they are already being paid to do. Above and beyond the call of duty then fair enough, but that rarely seems to happen in this country,
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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☄ Helpfulby jamesg1213 2017/12/20 19:52:27
Having spent many many hours behind various bars, I feel qualified to reveal the secret formula: "... and one for yourself my good man" + "Cheers, I'll take a wee half of best with you" = Invite to lock-in. Simples
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/20 19:45:29
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Fun topic! In my travels, I've discovered that the locals in those countries that claim they don't tip ALWAYS tip but then have excuses for why it isn't actually a tip. The drink offer where the bartender just pockets the money is a perfect example of this. I've seen rounding up and leaving the change to be common (or leaving some loose change from your pocket if you pay by card). When I was doing most of my traveling, I recall the exchange rate being something like $1.50-2.00 per one pound or euro so this could add up to a decent amount. On top of that, a lot of places will automatically add a "service charge" (i.e. a default minimum tip) in the 10-15% territory. Once you add that service charge to the change, you end up paying at least the conventional US tip of 15-20% (but just don't call that a tip!). The horrible thing about this is that it is common advice for popular guide books, travel sites, etc. to say these countries don't tip and you shouldn't tip when this is often flat out not true.
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/20 19:53:22
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SteveStrummerUK Having spent many many hours behind various bars, I feel qualified to reveal the secret formula: "... and one for yourself my good man" + "Cheers, I'll take a wee half of best with you" = Invite to lock-in. Simples
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
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Re: Query for our English and Scottish friends RE: Tipping for drinks
2017/12/20 21:09:53
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paulo I've never really got my head around the expectation that I should reward someone for doing the basic thing that they are already being paid to do. Above and beyond the call of duty then fair enough, but that rarely seems to happen in this country,
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