Question Master the Master technique

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2011/10/11 09:36:59 (permalink)

Question Master the Master technique

Not sure if there is a post on this  - How do you export your project to another project to do the Final Master?
Is this the better technique for final Mastering?
As I am a total Newb.
 
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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/11 10:27:39 (permalink)
    you need to spend some quality time reading the manual.

    there are tons of tutorials on line as well.

    if you do not know how to export a stereo file, or bounce, you're not ready for mastering.


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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/11 10:46:08 (permalink)
    There are multiple ways to skin the proverbial cat. Here's what I do...I export each project as a 32-bit wave, writing all of the finished songs to a common folder. I then have a separate project for assembling the CD and mastering, into which I import the song files (with the "copy file to project folder" option UNchecked).

    I import all the songs into one track to make them easy to sequence and crossfade, and to listen to the gaps between each song. I use volume and limiter threshold automation to match volumes between the songs. I put an instance of the LP64 EQ as a high-pass rumble filter (knee at ~35Hz), an instance of Ozone for wordlength reduction, brickwall limiting and dither, and an instance of SPAN to make sure I'm hitting my K-12 dynamics target.

    When I'm happy with the sequencing, I export the whole thing to one large 16-bit file that will be my CD image. This I bring in to my CD-burning software, where I insert index markers for each song.

    That's just one way to do it. One variation is to do your volume maximization beforehand, in the original song project. This is handy if you'll also be distributing MP3 versions because you can immediately encode the finished product, and also use that same finished file in the CD project.

    Of course, this assumes you're not planning on sending your files to a mastering service, in which case you wouldn't want to do any volume maximizing yourself but rather leave that for the ME. In that scenario, just export the files as either 24 or 32 bits (ask the ME which he prefers and use 32 bits if he has no preference).

    In either case, what's not necessary is exporting your song, importing it into another project or another program just for mastering.  Either master it in place in the original project or master your collection as a group for CD. Some folks do their mastering in an external editor such as Adobe Audition or Sound Forge because those programs have additional tools that might not be available in SONAR. Personally, I've found no advantage in doing that.


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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/11 10:51:45 (permalink)
    Awesome.  Thanks Bitfipper that is exactly what I was looking for.

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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/11 10:55:04 (permalink)
    Yes BatsBrew, I know how to export, bounce etc.. Just was looking more for a detailed steps of technique.
    As some people master on the main project, and some peope export a completed project to Master separately.
    Thanks for your reply.

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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/11 11:08:51 (permalink)
    i output a 24 bit file into Wavelab, and master with Waves plugins.

    from there, i can output to redbook, or directly to mp3, typically using a fixed 320kbps bitrate.

    i personally have found wavelab to be FAR superior for mastering, than doing it inside sonar.

    it is setup specifically for that task.
    when you get into the more advanced tasks such as metanormalizing, or doing montages, it can be a very powerful program.

    that said, you can still pull off mastering in sonar, but the audio engines in wavelab and sonar sound different to my ears, it's hard to quantify, but it's there.

    i'm on an older version of sonar, to be fair. haven't used X1.



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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/11 11:18:12 (permalink)

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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/11 12:16:01 (permalink)
    Thanks BatBrew I will research that.

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    Re:Question Master the Master technique 2011/10/17 10:50:45 (permalink)
    Just to throw in that the video on X1 has a useful Mastering section covering the following subjects, lots of shortcuts to be had even if you know broadly what you want to do:
    Mastering Inside Sonar
    Track Down EQ Problems with the Analyst
     Reparing Clicks
    Maxmising Loudness
    Assembling an Album

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