Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries

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Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries

I have bought several add on libraries for Kontakt. Although I can play the add on libraries fine, I'm having some difficulty in trying to get the graphics to display...instead I'm forced to look for the library in my file tree in order to load it. For instance I have Kirk Hunter strings....and I know others have the library and it has a graphic on the main Kontakt page which you simply click to access the library...when I loaded my library I never seen a graphic...all I have are the files which I need to search for. The Factory Kontakt libraries show up fine as a graphic to the left, things like Studio Drummer etc.
 
How do I get the libraries representations to show up?

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    bigcat
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 15:24:27 (permalink)
    Companies have to pay Kontakt for being sort of an official Kontakt Library being able to use Kontakt Player and showing up with a picture in the libraries section. I think Ni also tests them? That's why the little indy dudes like me are only ever in the files sections. I think only Pop Rock Strings would have the official Kontakt library status and be in the library window.
    People know how to get around this and can make the stuff show up in the libraries, but its technically illegal and developers themselves don't do it as it would make NI mad which would be bad for us.
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 17:14:44 (permalink)
    I don't use the library feature even for registered libraries, preferring the file system since it's organized the way I want it to be. It can get cumbersome if you have a lot of libraries, but you always have the Favorites feature to organize and quickly find the ones you use most.


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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 17:22:57 (permalink)
    Bigcat, is it "technically illegal" for ME to create a Kontakt library out of the instruments I purchased for my own use? I own the full versions of Kontakt 4 & 5.

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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 18:01:44 (permalink)
    Honestly I have no idea. I think it's like doing a mile an hour over the speed limit. I doubt anyone is going to know or care. Certainly in my experience with NI they have no interest in inconveniencing or upsetting their customers, so doubt you would have anything to worry about. Not of course that I'm encouraging you to download my brand new 40 stop organ and create a library for it! (ok that was shameless) ;P
    I'm looking at it as a small-time developer and explaining why Kirk Hunter's fine products, save Pop Rock, don't come that way.
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 18:05:17 (permalink)
    First, make sure you "add library" in Kontakt...there's a little button near the Library Icon.

    Second...and I can't remember the file type...but Kontakt has to see these files in your library folder to load the graphic header.

    Not at my DAW now...sorry.

    Maybe someone else can chime in.

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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 18:06:31 (permalink)
    jatoth
    Bigcat, is it "technically illegal" for ME to create a Kontakt library out of the instruments I purchased for my own use? I own the full versions of Kontakt 4 & 5.



    No, they can't stop you from doing what you want with your own software. The only way you could potentially get in trouble is if you were to distribute your libraries. Then you might run afoul of copyright/licensing. However for your personal use, you do as you please, doesn't matter what they think.
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 20:17:26 (permalink)
    I like using the database feature.  I'm not only able to find instruments I need really quickly, but I'm always finding instruments that I've totally forgotten I have.   
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 21:51:47 (permalink)
    jatoth
    Bigcat, is it "technically illegal" for ME to create a Kontakt library out of the instruments I purchased for my own use? I own the full versions of Kontakt 4 & 5.



    Read the license agreement that came with your sample library. Every one I've bothered to read says pretty much the same thing: you can use the samples any way you like with specific exceptions. Those exceptions include distributing the samples and using them in a commercial sample library.
     
    So as long as the library you create is for your personal use, you are in compliance with the terms of the license agreement. Have a blast remapping, mixing and matching and extending your purchased libraries! 
     
     


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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 22:39:48 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies. I didn't think I was violating the L/A. I just like organizing the instruments into libraries that make sense to me. I don't alter anyone's samples or instrument scripts (not yet).

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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/09 22:52:42 (permalink)
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    I like using the database feature.  I'm not only able to find instruments I need really quickly, but I'm always finding instruments that I've totally forgotten I have.   
     
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    +1.  I also like using the Quick Load feature.  It works similar to how bookmarks work in your browser. 
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/10 01:59:12 (permalink)
    I use the Quick Load as well.
     
    Once setup the way you like, it's very simple & fast.
    You can stream-line it by leaving things out you may never use as well, instead of navigating through the menu tree each time.



     
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/10 11:12:52 (permalink)
    Hi Bigcat,
     
    Thanks for that info....in a few cases I may have loaded up my libraries the wrong way, didn't do what Ol Pal suggested in at least a few instances...probably pointed my files the wrong place. I wasn't aware that a developer had to pay to have a logo attached as part of the NI acceptance process.
     
    I can  use the file tree but it also gets cumbersome on some libraries...and this involves a lot more than just a graphic I can click to go directly to the files...as an example , a few years back I purchased an electric guitar library...complete with plucks and squeaks and basically anything that makes an electric guitar sound like an electric guitar, now these sounds are all in their own little folder and I need to work some kind of magic to combine them into something like a guitar sound....if the library would have been organized into combined sounds ( and I think this is the way it was supposed to be) then I could use it...right now it's pretty much useless. I don't have an extra hour to pull 10 different sounds and make my own combinations. When I opened those files the maker said nothing about any particular sequence of installation...so I guess this is about more than just metadata...it involves sound grouped in a way that they are useful.
     
    BTW- whats the link for your organ? I'll give it a try.
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 03:21:08 (permalink)
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    ...I can  use the file tree but it also gets cumbersome on some libraries...and this involves a lot more than just a graphic I can click to go directly to the files...as an example , a few years back I purchased an electric guitar library...complete with plucks and squeaks and basically anything that makes an electric guitar sound like an electric guitar, now these sounds are all in their own little folder and I need to work some kind of magic to combine them into something like a guitar sound....if the library would have been organized into combined sounds ( and I think this is the way it was supposed to be) then I could use it...right now it's pretty much useless. I don't have an extra hour to pull 10 different sounds and make my own combinations...

     
                                       ...I can use the file tree but it also gets cumbersome on some libraries..
                                      
    Starise - that's the beauty of the Quick Load - to avoid all this nonsense ^^^  and save yourself a bunch of time & trouble.
     
    I only ever use the file tree once in a blue moon - just to get each new Library's instruments into the Quick Load area & set up. 
     
    PM me for a quick & easy walk though if you want.
    Once I show you how to do a first very simple one, you'll see how quick & easy it is & I'm betting you'll want to do the rest right away.



     
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 09:22:51 (permalink)
    Couldn't you just get the exact combo you want for your electric guitar and then "save multi as..." to create an nkm? I think that then it would be one click on the nkm and you would have the setup you saved.
     
    http://bigcatinstruments.blogspot.com/ will get you to the organ, pianos, all kinds of stuff.
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 09:24:14 (permalink)
    Jimusic I've never gotten around to learning quickload any chance of a quick tutorial on it?
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 13:50:25 (permalink)
    I think they cover it in the Groove3 series, but it is pretty simple. 
    Click on the quick load button on the top menu.
    It will show up on the bottom under the instruments.
    There are three tabs - instrument, bank, multi.  Click Instrument.
    To make folders, you either right-click or double click on one of the cells.
    Otherwise, just drag instruments from the file browser to quick load section.   Once you have them in the quick load, just drag them to the instrument area or click.
    Adding multis and banks works the same way, but click on appropriate tab.
     
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 16:27:31 (permalink)
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    Jimusic I've never gotten around to learning quickload any chance of a quick tutorial on it?
     

    Yup!  :)
    Thanks mump! You beat me to the punch.
     
    I set up folders like Accordion; Acoustic Piano, or by maker - Ilya Efimov; Embertone; Sampletekk.
     
    Just make sure that once you drag & drop your .nki s into their appropriate folders, you double click on them before you close Kontakt. This allows them to load in and set the new paths. 
     
    I forgot to do this once & had to re-do some of them. 
     
    Another benefit is that you never need the browser section open [once you've used it to drag & drop your .nki s into the Quick Load Folders].



     
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 18:45:27 (permalink)
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    Jimusic I've never gotten around to learning quickload any chance of a quick tutorial on it?
     


    here is a link to a few quick load videos on youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kontakt+quick+load
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 22:48:18 (permalink)
    I love the quick load feature and use it almost exclusively. It's so easy to setup your entire goto custom instruments menu. If Sonar didn't provide for track templates quick load would be the next best thing.

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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/13 23:51:19 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/17 21:21:09 (permalink)
    Thanks guys! Sometimes the simplest things can go unnoticed until someone points it out.

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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/18 00:30:37 (permalink)
    So then did you get it all sorted out there Star?



     
     
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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/19 14:24:58 (permalink)
    Unfortunately I haven't sorted it out yet.... day job will be the end of me.. I hope to have the time soon to try it. I am set to get one or two more libraries and when I do, I want to get it done right. 

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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/19 16:34:23 (permalink)
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    ...Unfortunately I haven't sorted it out yet.... day job will be the end of me... 


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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/20 13:36:50 (permalink)
    Last night I was playing with it...( Kontakt 5 that is...* ahem*)...pretty cool!
     
    One other thing I tried that I had never done before- I loaded a rex and acid files into K5 and was having a blast with them. I tried a drum sample...you can tune it and a whole lot more.
    Thanks for the generous offer Jimusic. 

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    Re: Question about Kontakt 5 and libraries 2014/06/21 17:39:02 (permalink)
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    Last night I was playing with it...( Kontakt 5 that is...* ahem*)...pretty cool!
     
    One other thing I tried that I had never done before- I loaded a rex and acid files into K5 and was having a blast with them. I tried a drum sample...you can tune it and a whole lot more.
    Thanks for the generous offer Jimusic. 


    No sweat Star!  Always happy to help where & when I can.
     
    Glad you're enjoying it...( Kontakt 5 that is...* ahem*).     ~  
     
    Click on the wrench icon [upper left] for additional options for each instrument.
     
    [The icon may vary with each designers choice].
     
    But there's a whole bunch of different options, filters, FX, etc. to mess with.
     
    It's worth clicking around inside K5 even just for a few hours to get to know all that's available there.



     
     
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