Bub


Hi Freddie,

I posted some results of tests I did using the 64bit Engine. What I found is on my DAW, it uses about 5% more CPU when turned on according to Windows Task Manager, and I didn't hear any difference when I did an audible comparison to a project exported with it on and off, and I didn't hear a different when I did a null test with it on and off.

I tried it on projects in X1c 64bit with bitbridged efffects, with no bitbridged effects, I tried it in X1c 32bit, I tried it with different project settings 44.1~96, 24bit, and 32bit recording. I saw no difference between any of the results.

I'm really trying to understand the benefits of the 64bit Engine because some people seem so dead set on it, but all I'm seeing is more strain on my CPU and no audible difference with it on or off. Can you give me a scenario I can test on my system that might show me a benefit?

Thanks Freddie.

Bub

bvideo


Re: CPU utilization with the 64-bit engine -

I seem to recall in one of the "under the hood" posts in a release of a year or two ago that a CW manager spoke of how some plugins do and others don't accept 64-bit floats. In that case, conversions were needed as the data streams through some plugins. That would make 64-bit use more CPU; so it depends on the project.

Danny Danzi

This is another reason I brought up the vinyl thing. I don't know if it's even possible to judge, but I sincerely think that's a valid argument, no? If we could judge the bit and sample rates of our best vinyl, what would those numbers be roughly? ... I would think that vinyl albums are lower than 16/44 in quality. I would thik if you could do math on them that the numbers would probably look horrible. Yet, they sound great...

"... There are dynamic characteristics of audio circuits that we cannot yet measure objectively. While our test equipment shows no change in measured performance, our ears tell us otherwise. ... and others have been working on characterizing these audible but heretofore immeasurable effects. We’re getting closer to objective test criteria, which fully characterize human perception, but we’re not there yet."

That's true. I also can't hear the difference between 16 and 24 either.

John

What is there may or may not be true. It is credited to the Musician's Friend staff. You know salesmen.

"To answer this question, we have enlisted the expertise of audio design guru and founder of Millennia Music and Media, John La Grou. John’s intimate knowledge of analog circuit design makes him a regular guest lecturer and panel judge at AES (Audio Engineering Society) conventions, as well as one of the most respected designers in the industry. Millennia products are used by artists ranging from Barbara Streisand to the Rolling Stones; engineers ranging from Eddie Kramer (Jimi Hendrix) to Bruce Swedien (Michael Jackson); mastering studios including "the Bobs," Bob Ludwig of Gateway Mastering and Bob Katz of Digital Domain; symphony orchestras such as the New York Philharmonic and Los Angeles Philharmonic; music institutions including Juilliard and Eastman schools of music, and broadcast companies including NBC and CBS New York. There are over 30,000 Millennia channels in professional use. We’d like to thank Mr. La Grou for his valuable contribution to this buying guide, and for providing our customers with an exclusive inside look at the often-confusing realm of manufacturer’s specifications."

Bub

John

What is there may or may not be true. It is credited to the Musician's Friend staff. You know salesmen.

I guess you didn't read the article then? They interviewed this guy ...

"To answer this question, we have enlisted the expertise of audio design guru and founder of Millennia Music and Media, John La Grou. John’s intimate knowledge of analog circuit design makes him a regular guest lecturer and panel judge at AES (Audio Engineering Society) conventions, as well as one of the most respected designers in the industry. Millennia products are used by artists ranging from Barbara Streisand to the Rolling Stones; engineers ranging from Eddie Kramer (Jimi Hendrix) to Bruce Swedien (Michael Jackson); mastering studios including "the Bobs," Bob Ludwig of Gateway Mastering and Bob Katz of Digital Domain; symphony orchestras such as the New York Philharmonic and Los Angeles Philharmonic; music institutions including Juilliard and Eastman schools of music, and broadcast companies including NBC and CBS New York. There are over 30,000 Millennia channels in professional use. We’d like to thank Mr. La Grou for his valuable contribution to this buying guide, and for providing our customers with an exclusive inside look at the often-confusing realm of manufacturer’s specifications."

The information came from him, not the MF Staff. They just printed what he said in response to their question. If they would have printed that info and claimed they came up with it, I'd be inclined to go along with your skepticism of the information.

Bub


Again John, you didn't take the time to read the article, or you just didn't understand what you were reading. The entire article was a side note to this article that explains the differences between pre-amps. It mentioned 19 in all. They weren't trying to sell anything. They were giving as much information as possible so people could make their own decision.

Now, what would be crap is if they talked to you in to buying something, with a hyped up advertising campaign, that didn't work the way it was advertised. But then again, if that happened, they would allow you to return the item, even software in some cases ...

They also have an article about the origins of Phantom Power. So according to your logic MF must be owned by a Norwegian company with it's roots in broadcast radio and they are trying to sell you a radio station?

There's some really good buyers guides on Musician's Friends web site. I highly recommend everyone check it out. Here's the main buyers guide page.

Sweetwater has one too.

drewfx1

John

The only thing that was pertinent to me was what you quoted.  That alone was plenty to find fault with. Then your need to defend it and what was being posted only confused the point.  As you still are confusing the point.  

I am not going to waste my time with something so clearly worthless that what you found most profound about it was a section riddled with logical errors. A child could see the motive behind the article and that it doesn't pass the BS meter test. I would hope you would have seen that too.

I think you are being, let's just say, a tad harsh on him here.

And I think we could point out the flaws in the article that may appear obvious to some of us a bit more diplomatically, no?

Jonbouy


Is there a science that measures how to get the ladies to become more primal on the dance floor?

I'd prefer to see those figures I suspect.