Question for Shad

Are you happy with the "new" CH?

The Bapu


By my reckoning, Shad is done and gone.

He said so at least seven times in the last nineteen hours.

But there's still piss in my Cheerios...

Ahem...

Alex:
 
You may be a nice guy (you probably are) but the title of this thread is nasty, childish and comes across to me as rubbing salt in the wound.
 
Can you possibly see how this adds fuel to the fire for the forum members that think there is a gang/bully mentality?

I thought we had the numbers...


The Numbers were wrong... 


We got rolled...


Seriously, it was not a battle, just a conversation. I guess what I am trying to say is:






































We wuz Robbed 

No Alex, I am not. It was not my plan to hurt anybodies feelings. I am saddened and disappointed by the events in this forum the last week. I am saddened to see friends turn on friends. I am saddened that we could not find a compromise to allow the CH to be a place where I and others (who maybe cannot keep up with the energy of Ed, Reece, Greg or Bub, or have a different style), can feel comfortable too. 

I said I was done once in the last 24, and that was in relation to the reply to Mike. When I said I was "going" I said I was planning on spending more time in the song forum, and try to visit here when an interesting thread caught my eye, and hopefully not just when its negative. You can find nearly that exact quote. 

I did try to let this go thanks to some very reasonable words by Jon who reminded me what wisdom is. But I find it rude of me to ignore questions directed to me, and very hard to ignore accusations. Maybe I should, because trying to clarify my answers or defend myself resulted in even more hard feelings. 

I really do hope this place returns to normal for all of you soon. 
Shad

(edit - stupid firefox mono-paragraph)

Bub, it is just too easy to "type all the junk you feel like saying no matter the consequences" and hit "post" instead of taking a few moments and think about the consequences of that post.

There is that old childhood rhyme: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.  As most of us have learned, that rhyme is an absolute lie... sticks and stones hurt, but heal, whereas words can leave much longer lasting, and deeper, wounds.

Good call yoropal!

Let sleeping dogs lie I always say (from this moment on). I better duck back and amend my previous post...

Orange whips...

I sure hope those aren't cat o' nine tails!  We've just been through enough of that.

Bub


To be clear, I was very upset, but it wasn't at the fact that people wanted the excessive posting to stop, it was at the way it was handled.

Bub, I like you, and I respect you mate. I agree I could have handled it better, but I'm unsure as to how you think I could have handled it better. If, as some have suggested, I should have addressed those concerned by e-mail or PM then I can only reiterate that my comments were not, and were never intended to be, personal or specific. I had absolutely no intention of "slamming" Ed, as you posted elsewhere, or any other individual for that matter.
 
My comments were made deliberately to address only the 'culture' of the Coffee House, and I included myself as belonging to that culture. I've been as much a part of all the things I mentioned as anyone. I merely stated that I was going to try and change my behaviour in view of what others had said and intimated (and not just with reference to John's post a few weeks back) about the cliquey nature of the CH, and how a few individuals seemed to dominating the place and making it unwelcoming to outsiders. For my part, my 'observations' (and that's all they were - again I deliberately made sure I didn't appear to be telling anyone what to do or post) were prompted by the overwhelming feeling I got of being selfish, unthinking and promoting exclusivity. Again, that's for each individual to decide themselves, not for me or anyone to tell them.
 
And I never suggested (or hopefully even implied) that the CH should be 'serious', or 'on-topic' (with reference to the TOS which suggests topics should be 'music-related') - I love a laugh, and as you'll probably already have realised, I can be as puerile and immature as the next bloke - and hopefully, more so. My personal view on the matter, with reference to the relentless nature of the 'empty' threads and well-worn 'in' jokes, was simply that we are lucky to be a group of highly intelligent individuals from all over the world who share a common love of music and a good laugh, and that as a collective, we could do so much better than we were.
 
I suppose what I'm getting at in my roundabout sort of way, if that if we were all sat around in a 'real' CH or a pub, I guarantee that we'd have a much more interesting conversation that merely saying 'Ya' at the end of everyone else's sentence. Still, I admit that those are my personal views, and I fully concede that everybody lets off steam in a different way, and that everybody's sense of humour is tickled in a different way. To those ends, I do sincerely apologise to anybody whose feelings I hurt by those the Ya/Am/Mash-up comments.
 
Furthermore, I never mentioned anything at all about 'post count' and the acquisition thereof as being of even the slightest concern to me. That's actually been part of the fun as far as I'm concerned (although I do concede that others have equated the posting of single word replies and the mash-up thread titles by some as being done solely for the purpose of increasing their post count).
 
So, I made the comments, and I've offered a genuine apology to anyone I offended by them. The only other options open to me would have involved staying silent. I know you've bandied the word 'spineless' around in reference to the actions of some of us, but I'd suggest that actually standing above the parapet and saying what I said (whether I went about it the right way or the wrong way) did display a certain lack of spinelessness.
 
 
 

Bub


You don't conspire with people in private and then publicly confront the person you are conspiring against.

I don't know if this comment was directed at me Bub, but I can state categorically here and now that I made my comments based solely on remarks that were made by others in public forum, and on my own feelings. I can assure you that I am not part of any clandestine conspiracy.
 
I have, however - since I made those comments - received a (small) number of PMs and e-mails by others who were, in essence, agreeing with some of the concerns I raised.

 

Bub

Of course, expecting rational behavior from drug addled individuals is wishful thinking I suppose.

Again, I have no idea whether or not this is addressed to me, but I have absolutely no shame in admitting that I have never imbibed or partaken of any illicit or illegal substances or narcotics in all my 49 years. I used to smoke cigarettes, and I occasionally sup a glass or two of beer or wine, but that's the extent of my rather boring relationship with drugs.
 
 

SteveStrummerUK

Bub


To be clear, I was very upset, but it wasn't at the fact that people wanted the excessive posting to stop, it was at the way it was handled.

Bub, I like you, and I respect you mate. I agree I could have handled it better, but I'm unsure as to how you think I could have handled it better. If, as some have suggested, I should have addressed those concerned by e-mail or PM then I can only reiterate that my comments were not, and were never intended to be, personal or specific. I had absolutely no intention of "slamming" Ed, as you posted elsewhere, or any other individual for that matter.
 
My comments were made deliberately to address only the 'culture' of the Coffee House, and I included myself as belonging to that culture. I've been as much a part of all the things I mentioned as anyone. I merely stated that I was going to try and change my behaviour in view of what others had said and intimated (and not just with reference to John's post a few weeks back) about the cliquey nature of the CH, and how a few individuals seemed to dominating the place and making it unwelcoming to outsiders. For my part, my 'observations' (and that's all they were - again I deliberately made sure I didn't appear to be telling anyone what to do or post) were prompted by the overwhelming feeling I got of being selfish, unthinking and promoting exclusivity. Again, that's for each individual to decide themselves, not for me or anyone to tell them.
 
And I never suggested (or hopefully even implied) that the CH should be 'serious', or 'on-topic' (with reference to the TOS which suggests topics should be 'music-related') - I love a laugh, and as you'll probably already have realised, I can be as puerile and immature as the next bloke - and hopefully, more so. My personal view on the matter, with reference to the relentless nature of the 'empty' threads and well-worn 'in' jokes, was simply that we are lucky to be a group of highly intelligent individuals from all over the world who share a common love of music and a good laugh, and that as a collective, we could do so much better than we were.
 
I suppose what I'm getting at in my roundabout sort of way, if that if we were all sat around in a 'real' CH or a pub, I guarantee that we'd have a much more interesting conversation that merely saying 'Ya' at the end of everyone else's sentence. Still, I admit that those are my personal views, and I fully concede that everybody lets off steam in a different way, and that everybody's sense of humour is tickled in a different way. To those ends, I do sincerely apologise to anybody whose feelings I hurt by those the Ya/Am/Mash-up comments.
 
Furthermore, I never mentioned anything at all about 'post count' and the acquisition thereof as being of even the slightest concern to me. That's actually been part of the fun as far as I'm concerned (although I do concede that others have equated the posting of single word replies and the mash-up thread titles by some as being done solely for the purpose of increasing their post count).
 
So, I made the comments, and I've offered a genuine apology to anyone I offended by them. The only other options open to me would have involved staying silent. I know you've bandied the word 'spineless' around in reference to the actions of some of us, but I'd suggest that actually standing above the parapet and saying what I said (whether I went about it the right way or the wrong way) did display a certain lack of spinelessness.
 
 
 

Bub


You don't conspire with people in private and then publicly confront the person you are conspiring against.

I don't know if this comment was directed at me Bub, but I can state categorically here and now that I made my comments based solely on remarks that were made by others in public forum, and on my own feelings. I can assure you that I am not part of any clandestine conspiracy.
 
I have, however - since I made those comments - received a (small) number of PMs and e-mails by others who were, in essence, agreeing with some of the concerns I raised.

 

Bub

Of course, expecting rational behavior from drug addled individuals is wishful thinking I suppose.

Again, I have no idea whether or not this is addressed to me, but I have absolutely no shame in admitting that I have never imbibed or partaken of any illicit or illegal substances or narcotics in all my 49 years. I used to smoke cigarettes, and I occasionally sup a glass or two of beer or wine, but that's the extent of my rather boring relationship with drugs.
 
 

I assume some of the things Bub mentioned were directed at me Steve. For the record, there was no conspiracy. I made my decision to post the open letter on my own. The reasons were pretty clear to me, and I communicated with Ed privately recently with further explanation. He holds no hard feelings and I appreciate his honesty. I fully expected heat, but at the time it had gotten hot enough in here anyways. Ed had commented several times that he understood Steve's post and was going to dial it back, but it seemed alot of threads were perpetuating things and it started to get ugly. When I saw the Steve and Reece dialogue meltdown (for lack of a better word) I, and I alone made my decision. My aim was to concentrate everything into one thread and have the others fall off the page. That happened. It also gave Ed the opportunity to address what was flying all over the place anyways. That happened. I hoped that after the initial heat of my post things would calm down. That happened.
 
Could I have done it differently? No question. Is Ed the class act I thought he was. No question.
 
Now, if anyone is thinking of perpetuating this discussion, I don't see the point. You won't make me feel any worse about things. I'd suggest we just let things go.
 
Randy

FastBikerBoy
Glass of wine anyone? 

Elderberry?

FastBikerBoy

My personal view on the matter, with reference to the relentless nature of the 'empty' threads and well-worn 'in' jokes, was simply that we are lucky to be a group of highly intelligent individuals from all over the world

See there you go excluding me again.......... so I will correct that for you....

.....My personal view on the matter, with reference to the relentless nature of the 'empty' threads and well-worn 'in' jokes, was simply that we are lucky to be a group of highly intelligent individuals from all over the world and FastBikerBoy......




I would just like to say that no feelings were hurt in the making of this particular post. It is also impossible to wind me up. I've only ever met two people in my whole life who could do that and I have divorced them both.

Glass of wine anyone?

Red please :)

Shad, I'm sorry about the original thread title and that I directed it at you as a person.

You mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberry wine.  But I digress.  Or do I?

Is it time to lighten up again,  Francis?