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2011/02/28 11:38:28 (permalink)

Question for bassist's

Location of strap pins.
 
I've been seeing some with the strap pin raised up, off center. (not concerned with horn pin)
I started thinking it may be increasing the neck angle.
It seems that bass players naturally angle the neck up more
not like a guitarist that seem to play mostly with the neck
close to a 90.
 
So preferred balance and angle are my questions and not sure
if I'm even asking correctly.
 
Thoughts are appreciated.
 
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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 11:42:06 (permalink)
    I have a few neck heavy guitars that I wish had an offset end pin on the body (not the horn) for the reason you are anticipating.

    I don't know how you can find the balance point with out trial and error... which I imagine you want to avoid.

    Good luck!


    best regards,
    mike


     


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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 11:44:48 (permalink)
    I'd set it to a tendency to angle up, Bapu's left moob will naturally stop it going too far and it will give him a little lift into the bargain.

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 11:45:31 (permalink)
    I play with mine angled around 45 degrees I guess which to me feels pretty natural. But you're right some guys play with their basses really really low, then it's almost like a 20 degree angle the way they play it.
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 11:52:47 (permalink)
    The moob angle!
    I knew I wasn't asking right.

    Heavy necks and moobs....I feel like I'm getting somewhere.

    Must be moob chart equation ...something like C cup raise pin 2" from center....

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 12:15:22 (permalink)
    All 3 of my basses have strap pins on the horn.

    Soon my moobs will be dragging so low they might just hold up the bass.
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 12:16:29 (permalink)
    Something tells me an Am note will occur regardless of pin strap position.
    (or will it?)

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 12:27:52 (permalink)
    Of course, if you raise the left one too much, not only will Bapu look more like a Picasso statue, but his center of balance could be thrown off, resulting in (more) unplanned stage diving. 

    The sacrifices one makes for ART...
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 12:37:48 (permalink)
    The pin on my P-bass is 90 degrees, standard on the upper horn.  I like it there, but the tension of raising the neck angle pulled the pin out of the body onstage one night.
    The next morning, I replaced the Fender strap pin with a giant screw and washer.  A little industrial-looking, but that will NEVER pull out again. 
    And i can have it at whatever angle i like...

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 12:40:42 (permalink)
    bapu


    All 3 of my basses have strap pins on the horn.

    Soon my moobs will be dragging so low they might just hold up the bass.


    Thanks Bapu! I got it straight now; three pins on the horn. Or moob pin adjustments.
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 18:45:07 (permalink)
    Why is Bapu posting here, this thread is clearly marked for 'bassists'.

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 18:46:13 (permalink)
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    Why is Bapu posting here, this thread is clearly marked for 'bassists'.

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 18:49:22 (permalink)

    Before you ask I'm only here because I mistook the word 'Bassist' for 'Fish Shop'.

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/02/28 18:51:14 (permalink)
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    Before you ask I'm only here because I mistook the word 'Bassist' for 'Fish Shop'.

    I only got as fas as "Question" and I thought "Mooch is always questioning me..." so I was sure I belonged here.


    BTW, Fish Shop works too.


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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 05:24:21 (permalink)
    Fish Shop for Bassist's


    I'll have large, with pea's

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 09:45:51 (permalink)
    Perhaps Bapu is the "Mr. Fish" I hear Chris Moyles talking about on the BBC 1 morning show?

    Serious answer to the question - I'd never given it much thought, my bass has the pin in the standard position, I've always used the strap to get the angle I wanted/needed for the moment, probably 35° or 40°. I also find that my lower back is happier if I keep the bass just below the moobs...

    Carry on.





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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 10:14:36 (permalink)
    Thank you Russell.

    Fortunately it feels very balanced as when I'm sitting with it the neck
    doesn't pull down.
    There is no effort needed to raise the neck while playing. Both very
    good signs to me.

    The angle while standing with the bass is was my concern.
    Not only for a neck heavy instrument but for a well balanced one
    to hang naturally in the "right" position.

    I was correct in my assumption that raising the end pin will tilt the bass.
    The only issue is there is no guideline for doing so, at least on a "one off" as
    this bass is.

    Bapu can report how close I got to his preferred stance. I went with my best guess.

    I was taught when I was a kid to play my guitar standing as the same as sitting.
    It's worked for me.

    The Gibson L5-S was the worst balanced guitar I ever owned. Bad neck heavy.
    That thing had a head like a bastard alley cat.
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 10:36:06 (permalink)
    spacey
    The Gibson L5-S was the worst balanced guitar I ever owned. Bad neck heavy.
    That thing had a head like a bastard alley cat.


    I briefly played a Thunderbird that had the same problem.  Maybe it's generally a Gibson Bass thing?

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 10:42:21 (permalink)
    Maybe it's generally a Gibson Bass thing?

     
    That could be it.
     
    My Gibson RD Active base (broken) (the one with the Moog electronics) is/was/willbe very neck heavy.   It doesn't help that it uses the same body as the 6 string version with the same strap pin possitions, but with a huge long neck that you struggle to find strings long enough to fit...

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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 10:57:07 (permalink)
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    spacey
    The Gibson L5-S was the worst balanced guitar I ever owned. Bad neck heavy.
    That thing had a head like a bastard alley cat.


    I briefly played a Thunderbird that had the same problem.  Maybe it's generally a Gibson Bass thing?
    I really don't know. I think that no matter what may be the cause of a neck heavy instrument
    if it is something that can be corrected by end pin placement it's something that I didn't know until now.
    I don't wear a strap anymore. Most all my playing is sitting down so a neck heavy instrument would
    just have to find a new home.
     
    But there are two issues I'm talking about.
    One is neck heavy and the other is hanging angle while standing.
    A balanced bass and a neck heavy both need to hang correctly for the player. (at least that's my thinking)
    I do know I chose the best lightest machines I could find trying to avoid the problem.
    I think I did because it sits right without hassle while I play it sitting. Seems to me to be well balanced.
     
    I can imagine a bass player wanting it to comfortably hang at an angle around 45° without constantly fighting
    with the strap. Man I wish I was a bass player....guessing sucks. Common sense is all I have to go on
    and it's telling me there is a lot of difference how the body works for bass as opposed to guitar.
     
    Anyway if I've thought it out right when Bapu puts this thing on it should naturally sit a comfortable playing
    angle. I believe that to be very important in addressing any fatigue on the player...not only his hands.
     
    This could be very good information for any bass/guitar player that may need to make an adjustment for
    how their instrument hangs. I know now I wouldn't hesitate to relocate the end pin to get it hanging right.
    Easy enough to plug a hole and dab on some paint.
    Not that relocating the horn pin for correct angle should be overlooked either....as you mentioned.
     
     
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 11:21:48 (permalink)
    Like you Michael, I do most of my playing sitting (if only I could lay down) so I think pin placement will be of minor concern.

    Will there be a Spacey1b patch if I don't like the placement?


    Really, it's no sweat as I'm like most here, I adjust the strap to "work" with all my basses. Now, that U-Bass is going to be interesting....
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    Re:Question for bassist's 2011/03/01 11:31:21 (permalink)
    bapu


    Like you Michael, I do most of my playing sitting (if only I could lay down) so I think pin placement will be of minor concern.

    Will there be a Spacey1b patch if I don't like the placement?


    Really, it's no sweat as I'm like most here, I adjust the strap to "work" with all my basses. Now, that U-Bass is going to be interesting....
    LOL....you know Bach had the legs sawed off of a piano so he could lay on it and feel it while he played....pretty
    good huh?
    It may take more than a patch! I'm telling you straight...that 5th string and my ears don't
    get along.
    One good thing...if you ever got stuck you could use that string to pull a big truck out of a mud hole. I think it's
    long enough too!
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