Beagle
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Question for guitarists
ok - so I was in a pawn shop yesterday (yeah, I know, but occassionally you can find something good for a reasonable price if the pawn shop owner doesn't know what he has), and they had this Dean Espana there. what I found interesting, tho, was that it had 3 strings nylon and 3 strings were steel. the EAD strings were nylon and the GBe strings were steel. what is the purpose of doing that?
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bapu
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 14:44:41
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What are these six strings you speak of and why do guitarists insist on them? I've never seen that, but Mooch will say I've not seen lots of things.
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UbiquitousBubba
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 14:46:56
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The Navy trains porpoises for all kinds of silly things. Some, obviously, learn more useful tricks than others. Nipper, one of the Navy's more spectacular porpoise failures, was known for restringing instruments in an unusual fashion. He was dishonorably discharged after stringing the Admiral's Uke - Bass with dental floss. I'm guessing that he was the porpoise.
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 15:04:04
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The Dean Espana is an inexpensive beginners classical guitar. You should never put steel strings on a classical guitar. The tension difference will cause damage. Whoever put those on it didn't know what they were doing.
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 15:10:51
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Yeah what probably happened is someone pawned a classical guitar that was missing 3 strings and they didn't have any nylon strings so they stuck some steel ones on it!
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 15:14:22
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I seem to recall seeing that in the past. Fat nylon strings and skinny steel strings. I never thought about it much. There are so many whacky ideas in the string business. e.g. Some companies actually coat the strings in waterproof goober snot and charge extra for it.
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bapu
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 15:20:48
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mike_mccue e.g. Some companies actually coat the strings in waterproof goober snot and charge extra for it. Is that what caused the rust on all those strings Miggy was seeing?
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 15:34:17
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I'm sensing that you know I'm about to say: rust never sleeps
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 15:52:49
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It's better to burn out than it is to rust.
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Beagle
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 15:53:19
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dlogan Yeah what probably happened is someone pawned a classical guitar that was missing 3 strings and they didn't have any nylon strings so they stuck some steel ones on it! that's exactly what I was thinking, but I'm just a beginner guitarist so I thought maybe there was something I didn't know. I guess really the answer is simple: stupidity.
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bapu
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 16:32:13
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Beagle I guess really the answer is simple: Mooch Bapu. Is Am Am Is
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Russell.Whaley
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 18:06:56
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I trashed a perfectly good classical guitar when in my high school years because I wanted to see what it sounded like with steel strings. About one day after install, the bridge (and the veneer under it) popped itself off and curled straight for the head. I epoxied and epoxied, but it never played right again.
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bayoubill
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 18:13:44
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TheStringMaster
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 18:28:15
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Sounds like thats exactly what happened. Classical guitar, especially cheap models, usually don't have a steel truss rod to support the neck. Thats why you'll damage the neck if you put steel string on it. The tension on the steel strings is much higher then nylon strings. Les
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Beagle
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 18:45:41
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Bill - weird. thanks guys. that means that even if I talked to the pawn shop owner and told him what an idiotic thing it is to do that and that he should sell it for a lot less now because of being an idiot, that I wouldn't want it anyway because it might have already stressed the neck too much!
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 19:00:50
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bayoubill How did it sound? Not as good as it did with the nylon strings - I would describe it as being less "warm" and "full." I've wondered if that was because the neck and body were more flexible than on an instrument built for steel strings, somehow affecting the resonance. Dunno. A luthier could answer that question.
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marcos69
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 20:07:41
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Are you sure they were steel? Most classicals have the EAD strings wrapped in a fine steel, but a silk core. They look pretty much like regular steel strings.
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Beagle
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 21:19:29
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marcos69 Are you sure they were steel? Most classicals have the EAD strings wrapped in a fine steel, but a silk core. They look pretty much like regular steel strings. really? I didn't know that. but they looked just like the strings on my acoustic and I've looked at nylon string guitars before and thought they looked just like larger nylon strings, not like these. EDIT: this is what I thought nylon string guitars' strings were supposed to look like: but the one I saw had the 3 largest strings that looked like steel strings (to me - I don't know!)
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/08 21:32:10
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I think classical guitar strings are referred to as Bass= EAD and Treble =GBE The treble strings come in different tensions and clear or rectified nylon. The bass strings are usually made of bronze wire or silver plated copper wire around a core of fine threads. Tension is something the player can decide. Buy three sets or so of different tensions by the same manufacturer and check them out. Then rinse and repeat. Carbon fiber trebles are smaller and brighter but tensions are comparable to nylons. Bronze bass will probably go dead before the silver plated. Well that about tapped me out....have a Cordoba but seldom play it. Sure enjoy it though. It's made for the electric guitarist- narrow neck. Your right I think Beagle....somebody had a brain fart.
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/09 19:59:42
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Are you sure it wasn't just nylon strings with ball ends? Someone asked me once if I had steel strings on a nylon-strung guitar cos they saw the ball ends on the wound ones and thought if they had ball ends they must be steel.
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Beagle
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Re:Question for guitarists
2011/04/09 21:03:07
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the entire strings were either steel or steel wound like mark suggested, not just a ball end.
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