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Is a nuanced lie truthier? TIA
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 00:09:13
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Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 09:24:03
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 10:00:26
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/10/14 10:11:59
Creating a nuanced lie requires some forethought. Seeing through a nuanced lie requires some effort.
Why bother, in an age when even big lies routinely go unchallenged? Nuance is dead, killed by intellectual laziness. Just tell as big a whopper as you like, and keep repeating it until it becomes "common sense".
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 10:11:15
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Creating a nuanced lie requires some forethought. Seeing through a nuanced lie requires some effort.
Why bother, in an age when even big lies routinely go unchallenged? Nuance is dead, killed by intellectual laziness. Just tell as big a whopper as you like, and keep repeating it until it becomes "common sense".
At some point, there's going to have to be a consensus on truthier facts and non-truthier facts, nuanced or not. Being at war (the truth being the first casualty) for 14 years (!) hasn't helped. I used to field questions about the ivy league having a stranglehold on power and nobody cares, because we ASSUME that it's the cream of the crop that go to those schools. (We've been fed a truthy idea that education is the path to happiness and smarts.)They're actually burning down the house in case you haven't noticed. Where's the outrage!
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 10:41:29
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We don't need no edjumacation!
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Re: Question?
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 11:42:57
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Are we allowed to talks politics now?
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 12:42:32
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bitflipper
Creating a nuanced lie requires some forethought. Seeing through a nuanced lie requires some effort.
Why bother, in an age when even big lies routinely go unchallenged? Nuance is dead, killed by intellectual laziness. Just tell as big a whopper as you like, and keep repeating it until it becomes "common sense".
At some point, there's going to have to be a consensus on truthier facts and non-truthier facts, nuanced or not. Being at war (the truth being the first casualty) for 14 years (!) hasn't helped. I used to field questions about the ivy league having a stranglehold on power and nobody cares, because we ASSUME that it's the cream of the crop that go to those schools. (We've been fed a truthy idea that education is the path to happiness and smarts.)They're actually burning down the house in case you haven't noticed. Where's the outrage!
People don't care about facts because objective facts don't allow people to impose themselves into the discussion. It also requires effort on one's part to determine what the facts are rather than just pretend one has "knowledge" because one believes or has heard something. This in turn allows one to believe they can argue on equal footing with people who have actually bothered to learn things.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 13:00:41
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bitflipper
Creating a nuanced lie requires some forethought. Seeing through a nuanced lie requires some effort.
Why bother, in an age when even big lies routinely go unchallenged? Nuance is dead, killed by intellectual laziness. Just tell as big a whopper as you like, and keep repeating it until it becomes "common sense".
At some point, there's going to have to be a consensus on truthier facts and non-truthier facts, nuanced or not. Being at war (the truth being the first casualty) for 14 years (!) hasn't helped. I used to field questions about the ivy league having a stranglehold on power and nobody cares, because we ASSUME that it's the cream of the crop that go to those schools. (We've been fed a truthy idea that education is the path to happiness and smarts.)They're actually burning down the house in case you haven't noticed. Where's the outrage!
People don't care about facts because objective facts don't allow people to impose themselves into the discussion. It also requires effort on one's part to determine what the facts are rather than just pretend one has "knowledge" because one believes or has heard something. This in turn allows one to believe they can argue on equal footing with people who have actually bothered to learn things.
not sure that's what's at stake, friend but it's a good overall observation that holds true for human motivations. I try to see the political milieu as one big court room, where we're the jury. Only problem is, there aren't rules for evidence. That's why we have to start (somewhere) saying, this source is truthier than another source. Some people put alot of faith in science as objective fact. It's definitely truthier, whether it can be considered objective fact, that's another matter. We need to start somewhere. Regardless, just like in a court room, there's not a perfect system.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 13:34:35
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/10/14 13:40:22
eph221
Some voters put alot of faith in science as objective fact. It's definitely truthier, whether it can be considered objective fact, that's another matter. We need to start somewhere. Regardless, just like in a court room, there's not a perfect system.
Actually, many of those people's beliefs are based on blatantly fallacious reasoning - i.e. scientists (or other authorities) say it so it must be true. To get around the fallacy one has to look at why the (real or supposed) authorities say or believe what they do. Which of course either requires a bit of effort (and often quite a bit - assuming one is even capable of understanding at all) or else a willingness to accept that one has no clue what the facts really are and thus isn't qualified to hold a relevant opinion on the matter at hand. Unfortunately some scientists, being human, allow this fallacy to go unchallenged even though they almost certainly must know better. The point being that some of us believe the world might be a better place if people didn't get into arguments when they don't actually have any significant knowledge of what they're talking about and instead let the people who actually know things have the discussion. There's nothing wrong with admitting that one doesn't know enough about something to hold an opinion on it - it's actually the first step in being able to learn anything.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 13:38:59
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That is truthy. But the fact that the Ivy League has a stranglehold on power is the elephant in the room. The fact that people believe education is the path to smarts and happiness is the elephant in the room. Neither facts seem to bother people, although on the latter fact tech schools are slowly cropping up.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 13:45:58
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Many a times, good old fashioned common sense seems to be lacking.....which eventually will lead to getting at the wrong conclusion.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 14:07:46
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bapu
We don't need no edjumacation!
We're talking about education and power, sorry for the connection to the national situation. :D:D
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 14:34:22
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I'm a power learner.
I'm just not very educated.
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Re: Question?
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Oh no, we don't have any flat earth people in here do we?
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Re: Question?
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 14:59:34
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Oh no, we don't have any flat earth people in here do we?
Hmmmmmm.... my level says the earth is flat.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 15:16:49
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She's a beauty ain't she? 
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Re: Question?
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/10/14 15:26:35
eph221
That is truthy. But the fact that the Ivy League has a stranglehold on power is the elephant in the room.
There may indeed be a great many Ivy League educated people in positions of power, but that doesn't imply that Ivy League educated people hold consistent opinions on policy matters, or much of anything IME.
The fact that people believe education is the path to smarts and happiness is the elephant in the room.
I think you will find that many in fact believe decidedly otherwise. And I think that if you want to discuss matters such as this, then you should be more careful about loosely and repeatedly substituting the words "truth" or "fact" for "my opinion".
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 15:28:08
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eph221
That is truthy. But the fact that the Ivy League has a stranglehold on power is the elephant in the room.
There may indeed be a great many Ivy League educated people in positions of power, but that doesn't imply that Ivy League educated people hold consistent opinions on policy matters, or much of anything IME.
The fact that people believe education is the path to smarts and happiness is the elephant in the room.
I think you will find that many in fact believe decidedly otherwise.
And I think that if you want to discuss matters such as this, then you should be more careful about loosely and repeatedly substituting the words "truth" or "fact" for "my opinion".
In your opinion. In my opinion Ivy League Educated people hold considerably similar opinions on policy matters, that's how (and why, I learned that asking questions about motivations from you) The only elephant is that they hold power. The only way to be sure there's a diversity of opinions is to have our leaders hail from diverse educational paradigms. There is though, IMHO a spirit in the enslaved that the masters lack (and by spirit I don't mean spunk, Bapu). And maybe the last laugh will be on the masters! That remains to be seen. It's a dialectic.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 15:53:51
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Is a nuanced lie truthier? TIA
Maybe it's even more lieier (due to the increased subterfuge inherent in the deployment of deceptive nuance and intentional, yet unwarranted obfuscation.) 
To some people big words sound lieier. True
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 15:55:18
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"Outland144k uses his mouth prettier than a two dollar whore."
(ala Mel Brooks, Blazing Saddles, lest any juan get offended)
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 15:58:00
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"Outland144k uses his mouth prettier than a two dollar whore."
(ala Mel Brooks, Blazing Saddles, lest any juan get offended)
I'm offended that you didn't take inflation into account. Or did you? 
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Re: Question?
2016/10/14 17:07:08
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It depends where the whore lives! In Italy i'm sure he or she would be like 15 million lira! In Las Vegas it hasn't gone up much because we're in a low inflationary environment these days, thank you miss yellen :D:D
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Re: Question?
2016/10/15 01:10:10
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Just flatheads.
Whew! Those are probably much more open to reason!
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Re: Question?
2016/10/15 17:35:13
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"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
Darwin would have loved "truthiness", had the word been coined in his day.
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Re: Question?
2016/10/16 16:42:46
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I could learn great things from bitflipper.
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