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2011/10/13 14:25:36 (permalink)

Question on UNDO.

When I edit, of course I can back up with undo...however, it seems it's always a complete list backwards, so if I have done something I want to keep in track one, but the thing I want undone is before that in track 3.... well I'm screwed.... or I have to find a work around which I have done in the past. 

Is there any way to undo changes/edits in just ONE track  and leave all the other edits in the other tracks alone? As long as I have been working with cake DAW's I should know this.... but it's really never been a big issue until yesterday when I had to find a way around loosing a halfway decent take to undo an edit before that take. 

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    vladasyn
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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 14:35:05 (permalink)
    Doesn't it opens a list of "undos", and then when you click on one, it highlights more than one? I was wondering same thing.
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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 14:53:05 (permalink)
    Undo basically returns you to an an earlier state, reversing everything that's been done since that point. Trying to implement a selective undo would create a potentially infinite number of logical problems with interdependent edits that would be impossible for a programmer to anticipate and manage.

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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 15:04:19 (permalink)
    The undo/ redo History used to have a drop down timeline in the menu that would do just that. Don't think is does that any longer  in X1.
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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 15:09:34 (permalink)

    The undo/ redo History used to have a drop down timeline in the menu that would do just that.



    If "just that" means undo everything back to some point, Edit > History still allows that. But it was never possible to undo single edits before the most recent one.

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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 15:23:11 (permalink)
    I think the undo/redo history is there simply to help us end users perform the action back to or from a particular point.

    As you say - the logical problem of trying to undo, for example, undoing the creation of a track before undoing inserting a plug into the same track would be unresolvable


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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 15:33:58 (permalink)
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    The undo/ redo History used to have a drop down timeline in the menu that would do just that.



    If "just that" means undo everything back to some point, Edit > History still allows that. But it was never possible to undo single edits before the most recent one.

    I see what you're saying, that would be a nice feature.
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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 16:08:38 (permalink)
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    The undo/ redo History used to have a drop down timeline in the menu that would do just that.



    If "just that" means undo everything back to some point, Edit > History still allows that. But it was never possible to undo single edits before the most recent one.

    I see what you're saying, that would be a nice feature.

    from a programming standpoint you couldn't do that.  at least not easily - choosing an edit 10 steps back would have to evaluated every step in between and might be necessary to undo all of them or at least some of them which were related to the one you chose.  it would take a lot of programming just to attempt anything like that and might make the program unstable.
     
    choosing a point X steps back and undoing everything back to that point is what's always been available and that's perfectly fine.  you changed the things in that order, it would be illogical to try to change back the changes out in a different order.

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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 16:19:52 (permalink)
    Each edit is a separate  point like dots on a time line.... 

    for example  what I did was delete a clip in a guitar track and at the same time, had the track view down a bit so some tracks were above the top of the screen.  I did not realize that the entire vocal track was also selected...and blissfully ignorant of that fact clicked "delete".  A few more edits/takes to get the guitar solo clip right.... OK.... since the vocal was not in the solo, I had no idea to this point that it was gone. 

    now I clicked playback..... before the solo, no vox.... OMG!.... checked the track it's empty. 

    I had to go back about 12 undo's to get the vox track back..... then.... try to remember all the edits I did between that one and where I was supposed to be at....  Before I did the "undo" to 12 steps back I copied the solo first. 

    Having a drop down list of the last 20 edits would be a handy thing. 

    I know I have not seen it in MC, but being new to X1 I figured it might have been in there and I just didn't know it....

    Hey Bakers..... are you listening on this ?


    Beagle I can see what you're saying IF the edits are on the same section or clip and make progressive changes..... but on something totally unrelated should not be a problem.  I was working on track 12 and accidentally deleted track 1 audio so to be able to undo that from a list should be easy..... 


    Fortunately, I'm usually a bit more cautious than that..... but...it could have been a real disaster loosing that track. 

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    Re:Question on UNDO. 2011/10/13 16:43:57 (permalink)
    but on something totally unrelated should not be a problem.



    The challenge is determining whether there's a dependency or not in every case.

    As for losing tracks, I'm sure you know that audio files only get dumped if you close the session in which they were recorded without saving. If that project was ever saved with that Vocal track in place, the file is in the Audio folder forever even after you delete the track that uses it until you explicitly clean it out. So you can always recover the raw audio, though you will have lost any non-destructive edits to the track.

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