Treefight
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Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
Hey folks: If you have a Mackie Control Universal Pro and an Extender or two, does anyone know if there is a way to assign them to tracks AND busses or is it just tracks OR busses? Right now I have only the MCU Pro and the only thing I know how to do is select "track" or "aux" (buss) and the sliders, etc., jump from the first 8 tracks to the first 8 busses. Ideally, if I had an MCU and two Extenders, I'd like to have two "sets" of controllers, 16 controllers, set to tracks, and the remaining 8 set to busses. As of right now, I'd only have to have all 24 on tracks (fine, but what about busses?) or all 24 on busses (overkill). I called Mackie and they said it would be up to Sonar. Other DAWs that allow busses or aux channels to be mingled with tracks allow contiguous control, not either/or, as Sonar appears to do. I also got the impression that Sonar was one of the only DAWs that draws that hard line between tracks and busses with respect to controllers(?) Anyhow, if anyone has any experience on this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks much. PS: Sonar 8 ROCKS. I have noticed much smoother and stable performance, and that's saying something coming from me, the forum's number one complainer
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 06, 08 6:53 PM
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i dont think what youre looking to do is possible. its either tracks or busses.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 06, 08 7:15 PM
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You can connect as many XT extension units to your Mackie Control as you have ports on your MIDI interface (each unit uses a separate input and output port). To Configure an XT Unit Connect the XT unit to SONAR (see To Connect the Mackie Control (or XT) to SONAR). Open the property page for the main Mackie Control. Click the Configure Layout button in the property page. Turn V-pot 1 on the main Mackie Control to select the tracks you want the main unit to control. Turn V-pot 1 on the Mackie XT unit to select the tracks you want the XT unit to control. In the property page, click the Press Again When Done button. Unless it has a spot for independent control of buses on the XT I don't see how either. Now as to mixing tracks and buses like "some" do Sonar has a nice little bus button on the MC just for this. So does Cubase and Lgic. BTW the ninth fader can be assigned to any bus. The idea for any surface is to allow independent control of your tracks or buses unlike using a mouse. Before one says but with a mouse I can group tracks and adjust them at will with only one mouse. True and also true of a surface. But try to independently control en masse with a mouse. But fundamentally thats how Sonar works.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 06, 08 9:45 PM
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Thanks guys. John - what do you mean by this, not sure I understand it: Now as to mixing tracks and buses like "some" do Sonar has a nice little bus button on the MC just for this.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 07, 08 8:10 AM
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In the control group of the MC overlay for Sonar you have tracks, aux and mains. Aux are the buses. Those buttons determines whether you are working with tracks buses or the outs of your gear with the MC.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 07, 08 9:32 AM
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Ok, thanks John, that's what I thought you meant, but I was hoping I had missed something Hey - I'm doing another post now about setting up the MCU with an extender (or two), but I'll ask here as well: In the Options - Instruments/Controllers menu, you can choose "Mackie Control" and/or "Mackie Control XT". With an extender or two hooked up as well as the MCU, do I select "Mackie Control," assign it to USB in and out, and then create a new controller and choose "Mackie Control XT" each extender I have (and presumably choose the USB(1), USB(2), etc.)? Or do I just choose "Mackie Control," like I did when I had only the MCU, and the channel number will increase from 8 to 16 or 24 or whatever? I ask b/c I tried very briefly to add an extender this morning unsuccessfully, though I'm sure I was doing something wrong (I did the physical connections correctly, I think, it's just in Sonar I'm sure I did it wrong) and because... This (may?) tie in to my previous question re: control over tracks and busses simultaneously. Specifically, if you do use the XT instrument in/out in Sonar for each extender (and if you don't, why are they there?) then theoretically you could assign one of the XTs to the buss section, you know, right click on the bottom/console view or left/track view and select "Move Mackie XT Here." That would be cool. You could assign them all to tracks on the MCU (tracks button) but then in Sonar assign either the MCU or one of the XTs to the busses(?) Thanks in advance.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 07, 08 10:05 AM
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Remember you need to configure the XT unit for it to work. For the XT use that i.e. MC XT as your second controller. You configure it in the MC dialog. Now keep in mind I do not have an XT unit so anything I say is off the top of my head. I have no way to test anything I say.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 07, 08 10:37 AM
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Thanks John, I picked up on that just after I posted. The XT isn't configuring, but at this point I think it's the MIDI cable b/c it's showing signs of an iffy connection and it's one of the longest MIDI cables I have (used it with e-drums), so I think I have the know-how now, I just need to make it work. Thanks again.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 07, 08 10:47 AM
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Tree its always a pleasure to post to your threads. I have a long history with the MC on this forum and will help any one that has one even if I don't have a clue what I am talking about.  Let me know if you get it working and how you did it. BTW is Sonar 8 a bit more MC friendly? Did they improve how it works? The pause button and fast forward and such? Is the scrub better?
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 07, 08 11:04 AM
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Ok, got it going, it was clearly (1) loose cable combined with (2) not configuring it and (3) doing it all in the correct order. Certainly helps to get controllers menu up, then select the Mackie, then hit F1. It gives a very detailed explanation of how to connect and configure. But when you search the general help under "Mackie" nothing comes up. Would be nice if they fixed that, simply b/c I think a lot of people, like me, might assume there are no help files when in fact there are many detailed help files on a wide variety of third-party products. Thanks again.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
October 07, 08 11:15 AM
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I create a folder for shortcuts of help files that I will refer to from time to time. The MC help is in the shared control surfaces folder. You can do the same with all the help and documents of Sonar and plugins. I also make a taskbar toolbar of that folder for quick access. In the case of the MC I have it printed out as well.
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
December 09, 08 6:11 PM
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In the control group of the MC overlay for Sonar you have tracks, aux and mains. Aux are the buses. Those buttons determines whether you are working with tracks buses or the outs of your gear with the MC. John, You have much more of a clue than Mackie! Their instruction manual is useless, and SONAR help is pretty unhelpful. It doesn't mention the Configure Layout where it should. You really have to dig to find help on that (That's an assumption; I still haven't found it). Your off-the-top-of-your-head instructions were what I needed to set up my MCU PRo extenders! THANKS!!!! (These instructions should be made clearly available somewhere.)
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RE: Question re: Sonar w/MCU Pro and Extenders
December 09, 08 6:35 PM
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Thanks Saxon. I do have a long history with the MC and it goes back to the LC (Logic Control) which I had. I did a lot of research then and still do a little but most of it has stayed with me. I am one of those guys that found a device that fit my needs so well I simply love it. What I also like about it is most worthwhile programs support it.
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