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Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
Hey folks! I was wondering if Bandlab wants to continue with small "monthly" updates endlessly of if they planning to do a big release at some point in order to make a real upgrade from the Gibson version of the program. Do not get me wrong I really like Cakewalk and the vision of Bandlab as a company but I think that the recent updates are focusing on cosmetic changes instead of modernizing the product to justify the upgrade from the latest Sonar Platinum or to make a crossgrade from something like REAPER or Studio ONE. I really appreciate your job, best regards and sorry for my english  .
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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☄ Helpfulby a13xhp 2018/06/14 12:16:57
Based on comments from Meng & Noel and others from Bandlab/Cakewalk,
I would wait and watch what happens with Cakewalk in the next two to three months.
Then you can ask your question again.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/06/14 23:44:51
You do realise that CbB is at this point free and is S-Plat with a new name?
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/14 12:19:23
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You do realise that CbB is at this point free and is S-Plat with a new name?
Yes I know it but I expected major changes to the program itself and not only in the business model side.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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☄ Helpfulby a13xhp 2018/06/14 14:31:00
How major do you expect the changes to be for free software? Meng et al have stated they want progress, but what we've seen the last few months while they figure out what exactly they got when they bought Cake is small improvements and bug fixes. And they haven't announced any big changes to come. As much as BandLab wants to develop CbB they still have to run cost/benefits analysis and as stated elsewhere in this forum, the quickest method to raise money is to release the high-quality effects/synths (which some here have already been asking to buy) from Cakewalk while they tinker under the hood of SONAR. Maybe when they pay down some of the debt they incurred they can think big, and be able to hire more bakers.
Another note is that that PR and some other staff positions have been taken over by BandLab, which should make CbB bottom line better by spreading those fixed costs among other assets.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2018/06/15 01:06:34
Major changes? All DAWS are pretty-much equal- give or take a little bit here and there. Every DAW needs the same stuff: Record, Mix, Edit, Loop, Instruments. CbB Has that in spades. You can change the look n feel and get rid of some bugs, but what else is needed? Honestly wondering out loud.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/14 15:38:48
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Even if major changes happen, would you really expect a major change so soon? How often do truly major changes occur in any DAW? I would assume most of the work so far has been of transitional nature and the updates so far have been extensions of updates that were already in development when Cakewalk folded.. I understand your eagerness, but give them some time :)
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/14 23:50:54
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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+1 to "major changes" combined with "free" being a bit high of an expectation. For me, I always hope to get a cool car for free, then have the manufacturer do all the maintenance, repairs, inspections, etc. (I *might* pay for half the gas, but ONLY if they cover licensing and insurance)... [I am still hoping...  ]
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/15 00:04:43
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If it ain't broke...........
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/15 01:03:03
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What did you have in mind that you'd like to see Cxb do?
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/15 01:29:15
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What did you have in mind that you'd like to see Cxb do?
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/15 13:40:49
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What did you have in mind that you'd like to see Cxb do?
Actually I don't asking too much: I would like to see a new web page and a new forum and also be able to buy some addons. Indeed I would have preffered that Bandlab had waited until the migration process had finished. In terms of features I dream of buying fully integrated new hardware for Cakewalk (control surfaces, midi keyboards etc.).
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/15 14:04:46
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AT
How major do you expect the changes to be for free software? Meng et al have stated they want progress, but what we've seen the last few months while they figure out what exactly they got when they bought Cake is small improvements and bug fixes. And they haven't announced any big changes to come. As much as BandLab wants to develop CbB they still have to run cost/benefits analysis and as stated elsewhere in this forum, the quickest method to raise money is to release the high-quality effects/synths (which some here have already been asking to buy) from Cakewalk while they tinker under the hood of SONAR. Maybe when they pay down some of the debt they incurred they can think big, and be able to hire more bakers.
Another note is that that PR and some other staff positions have been taken over by BandLab, which should make CbB bottom line better by spreading those fixed costs among other assets.
Bandlab bought the Cakewalk assets only. They did not, according to Meng & Noel, absorb any of the "business" of Cakewalk, Inc. which would include debt.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/15 14:17:24
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☄ Helpfulby a13xhp 2018/06/15 14:54:42
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bitman
What did you have in mind that you'd like to see Cxb do?
Actually I don't asking too much: I would like to see a new web page and a new forum and also be able to buy some addons. Indeed I would have preffered that Bandlab had waited until the migration process had finished. In terms of features I dream of buying fully integrated new hardware for Cakewalk (control surfaces, midi keyboards etc.).
I can understand you wanting them to wait, but considering the exodus of the most likely initial users already underway, getting product in hands of early adapters who mostly already had previous bundles made sense. Most already had previously bundled add-ons. The fully integrated hardware was never fully realized over the course of 30 years, so not likely to happen anytime soon for a free product. The closest was the Roland period. Best chance of that happening is if product becomes so overwhelmingly popular that third parties jump fully in and create one
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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bitman
What did you have in mind that you'd like to see Cxb do?
Actually I don't asking too much: I would like to see a new web page and a new forum and also be able to buy some addons. Indeed I would have preffered that Bandlab had waited until the migration process had finished. In terms of features I dream of buying fully integrated new hardware for Cakewalk (control surfaces, midi keyboards etc.).
I can understand you wanting them to wait, but considering the exodus of the most likely initial users already underway, getting product in hands of early adapters who mostly already had previous bundles made sense. Most already had previously bundled add-ons. The fully integrated hardware was never fully realized over the course of 30 years, so not likely to happen anytime soon for a free product. The closest was the Roland period. Best chance of that happening is if product becomes so overwhelmingly popular that third parties jump fully in and create one
I would love a new agreement with Roland for providing fully compatible hardware again since I heard that Meng is trying to bring back VS700 support. However, this sounds utopian and I will be content if the product becomes popular enough to third parties.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2018/06/17 15:45:26
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How major do you expect the changes to be for free software? Meng et al have stated they want progress, but what we've seen the last few months while they figure out what exactly they got when they bought Cake is small improvements and bug fixes. And they haven't announced any big changes to come. As much as BandLab wants to develop CbB they still have to run cost/benefits analysis and as stated elsewhere in this forum, the quickest method to raise money is to release the high-quality effects/synths (which some here have already been asking to buy) from Cakewalk while they tinker under the hood of SONAR. Maybe when they pay down some of the debt they incurred they can think big, and be able to hire more bakers.
Another note is that that PR and some other staff positions have been taken over by BandLab, which should make CbB bottom line better by spreading those fixed costs among other assets.
Bandlab bought the Cakewalk assets only. They did not, according to Meng & Noel, absorb any of the "business" of Cakewalk, Inc. which would include debt.
I meant whatever they paid for the "assets only." That has to be more than however much BandLab makes selling free software. @
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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So long as Noel is involved, I have total faith in the direction that Cakewalk is going. Give it time and I'm sure that it will be refined to a high degree. It is still my "go to" DAW.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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☄ Helpfulby a13xhp 2018/06/15 17:17:55
A13xhp have you tried Nektar controllers? They are inexpensive and map reasonably well to Cakewalk. They give you an install file for the mappings
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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So long as Noel is involved, I have total faith in the direction that Cakewalk is going. Give it time and I'm sure that it will be refined to a high degree. It is still my "go to" DAW.
AFAIK Noel has been involved with Cakewalk for almost two decades then... How Cakewalk is going to change now? dubdisciple
A13xhp have you tried Nektar controllers? They are inexpensive and map reasonably well to Cakewalk. They give you an install file for the mappings
I will take a look at this controllers.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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a13xhp
AFAIK Noel has been involved with Cakewalk for almost two decades then... How Cakewalk is going to change now?
The development and release cycle of CbB mirrors SONAR Platinum. Don't expect that to change any time soon. Do expect a new forum, ports of Cakewalk plug-ins, customer accounts. But all of this takes time.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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Noel being involved means someone with a deep understanding of the core product is available. No matter what direction they take, it would be even slower without an expert on the product and code like Noel on hand.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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...Do expect a new forum, ports of Cakewalk plug-ins, customer accounts.
And please only one Facebook profile. At present there's two - leading to confusion.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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I would love a new agreement with Roland for providing fully compatible hardware again since I heard that Meng is trying to bring back VS700 support. However, this sounds utopian and I will be content if the product becomes popular enough to third parties. Seamless integration with new mainstream hardware controllers like icon, xtouch, avid, nectar etc should be priority, they are smaller, cheaper, better now. And of course the compatibility with widest selection of audio interfaces. That should give good foundation for a solid studio.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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Seamless integration with new mainstream hardware controllers like icon, xtouch, avid, nectar etc should be priority, they are smaller, cheaper, better now. And of course the compatibility with widest selection of audio interfaces. That should give good foundation for a solid studio.
So how much would you be willing to pay BandLab for that? Last time I checked, developers don't work for free.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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Are we talking about Cakewalk's developement roadmad here or something else? I just pointed some shortcomings, some directions to progress, what's wrong for Cakewalk to grow there? And Cakewalk's success is my success. Not getting your point for me personally to pay extra for hardware compatibility.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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chris.r
Seamless integration with new mainstream hardware controllers like icon, xtouch, avid, nectar etc should be priority, they are smaller, cheaper, better now. And of course the compatibility with widest selection of audio interfaces. That should give good foundation for a solid studio.
Aren't those controllers pretty seamless anyhow? Anything I've used that uses the Mackie protocol worked pretty much out of the box. For anything else you can either use ACT, or Alexi's AZ Controller which will work with anything. I'm using the Mackie MCU/XT/C4, Korg Nano Kontrol (both studio and mini versions), BCF2000 and all of them work fine. In the past I used the Philip Rees C16 and the JLCooper CS32 - I've not checked the latter two with CbB yet, but they worked fine with Sonar so I doubt anything has changed. And as far as audio interfaces go, if it has drivers for Windows it'll work. CbB supports ASIO, WASAPI, WDM and MME which basically covers all bases. Is there anything in particular that doesn't work for you?
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
2018/06/16 02:12:15
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My point is that any additional feature development would need to be funded by paying customers. The current business model of releasing a previously premium, paid for only DAW for free, does not seem to allow for anything beyond some basic tweaks.
Hopefully once an increased market share appears, they will be able to monetize the intellectual capital that was acquired from the former Cakewalk company, and good things may happen. But it is premature to expect major development at this time.
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For anything else you can either use ACT, or Alexi's AZ Controller which will work with anything.
I didn't intend to get into particular issues, the need to use additional software like the excellent AZ Controller to unlock ProChannel features in hardware controller is just an overall example what I mean. Not very intuitive for newbies and newcomers.
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Re: Question to Bandlab: Finally there will be an update overhaul?
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☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/06/16 23:42:14
It was only less than 7 months ago right around Thanksgiving time when we all had the floor dropped out from under us . We were all left here on this forum dangling in mid air with out a parachute or safety net concerning SONAR .. Those of you who still remember ....What say Ye . Yes or No ? Cakewalks Premium DAW has been brought back from the dead and given a new lease on life . I'm pretty happy w Cakewalk by Bandlab and the way things are so far . I hope the best is yet to come Kenny
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