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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/26 16:03:16
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What I've experienced is memory issues with 10 eating RAM. The first problem was the superfetch service causing the kernel to grow to a couple of GB (that's GB with a "G"). Since disabling superfetch (which isn't necessary as I have an SSD drive but MS turns it on anyway), the kernel process stays at 144 KB (that's with a "K", not an "M").
I took a look at this service today and didn't see anything unusual on my RAM usage........it showed something like 3.3GB's out of 16GB's was being used (I had a few programs and a bunch of webpages open at the time).
Is that RAM eating issue a constant thing or when you run certain applications?
With superfetch enabled, after a few hours the process with Name="System and compressed memory", and Description = "NT Kernel & System" in Task Manager details grew to more than 2GB. Disabling superfetch solved that problem. And again, superfetch isn't really of any value with an SSD drive anyway. The other problem involving Private Session memory seemed to be related to one of my browsers and one or more of the unbelievably huge number of tabs I have open at all times. I migrated some things to a different browser and closed a bunch of tabs and the problem seems to be resolved. I suspect bad/incompatible scripting was causing a resource leak. And needless to say I deliberately selected certain websites I suspected as the most likely culprits to move to a different browser. But as it's hard to see what's eating Private Session memory since it isn't associated with any specific process/thread I'm not sure. In any case I don't have to reboot every 12 hours (!!!) anymore because Windows is no longer growing to commit 30GB of memory in that time period. I should also mention that with Windows 10 they do seem to have fixed the DWM (Desktop Window Manager) memory leak, at least in my case.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/26 16:26:36
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I'll be using an SSD too so no superfetch. Was the browser you referred to Chrome by any chance? 'Cause it runs a new process for every tab you have open and I started to notice some issues when I had about 50 tabs open!
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/26 16:54:39
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I'll be using an SSD too so no superfetch. Was the browser you referred to Chrome by any chance? 'Cause it runs a new process for every tab you have open and I started to notice some issues when I had about 50 tabs open!
No it was (or appears to be) the "old" Opera 12.18, but only with certain websites. The "new" Opera is actually based on the Chrome engine, and though much less memory efficient in general (and dumbed down considerably     ), it looks OK. And note that when I say I keep a huge number of tabs open, think "too many to count" spread across several browser windows. We're not talking about a few dozen or something trivial like that. But searching for memory issues after a Windows 10 upgrade reveals many people are having problems - but again, many are not, so...
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 05:09:29
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Only ran into two problems with the update - which is two more than any of my friends - - Machine ran really hot, fixed by updating BIOS and chipset drivers.
- Hibernate shutdown option was activated, meaning a ~7Gb file was created on my C drive. Ran "powercfg -h off" in elevated command prompt to fix.
No problems otherwise.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 06:55:10
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*shrugs* it's Windows. I configured mine at install time to not send all my personal guff to the 'cloud' (I don't even use any cloud based storage tbh). I removed the annoying Cortana bollox and since then it's been like wearing a comfortable old pair of shoes. Perhaps Tartan shoes with 'Bay City Rollers' embossed on the side, but comfortable nonetheless. It is a dramatic improvement over W8, and I would say also an improvement on W7, but I still run my full-fat licensed W7 Pro OS on my DAW box. I've upgraded my 2x W8 machines to W10 for free though (a laptop and a HP 360 chromebookesque thing), and my work laptop has also been upgraded to W10 (Enterprise).
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 09:14:40
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Great, thanks for the info. Guess I'd better do this quick, not many days left to get W10 free!
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 09:32:35
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Great, thanks for the info. Guess I'd better do this quick, not many days left to get W10 free!
I'm also going to do this (tonight) on the family PC......I'm going to do a clean install of Win 8 and then upgrade to 10. Just finished doing my backups.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 12:03:48
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Great, thanks for the info. Guess I'd better do this quick, not many days left to get W10 free!
Not saying you shouldn't do it now, but I'm one of those betting the "free deadline" is just a ruse to manipulate as many people as possible into upgrading now. [EDIT: IT worked on me!  ]
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 13:35:28
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I wish Cakewalk would try that ruse on me!
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 13:41:20
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I wish Cakewalk would try that ruse on me!
They have even a better offer than Microsoft.........Free Lifetime Updates!! 
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/27 14:22:32
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I' a Microsoft geek so i might be a little biased. But I love windows 10. I have been testing it from the first build in insiders to last build now, and even used insider previews as main os on my daw. now days i use the regular one on my daw but have insider preview on my laptops and Surface.
I want everyone to go to Win10. That way Windows 10 get even better, and if you use insider you can even have a finger in the new stuff comming.
For the collection of data, I trust Microsoft over government any day. First of, Microsoft doesnt have guns, and second. You can in fact sue them, if they miss use your data. Government do that all the time but no one can do anything about it.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/28 11:39:04
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/28 14:34:52
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I've read that you can turn off the automatic Windows Update by turning off the service itself. Then you have to start it manually when/if you want to get updates.
With the way that I use my PC's, if they start rebooting in the middle of the night I will be heading up the road to Redmond to throw rocks into their Windows®.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/31 05:47:31
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Well, for better or worse, I installed Windows 8.1 on my SSD drive tonight (which was blank, my Windows 7 OS, which I'm still using, is on a different drive). After all that hassle, I tried to upgrade to Windows 10 only to find that the free upgrade ended yesterday. Well, for the "normal" public anyway. A little digging and I found that there's a new website that will be up for another few months as long as you're willing to have no shame (it didn't stop me). Here's the website to see first, the link is in the article: http://betanews.com/2016/07/29/get-windows-10-free-after-the-deadline/ Once it FINALLY finished downloading, installing, updating and having me setup stuff I got scared and rebooted back to this old OS for now. I'll keep going forwards tomorrow but it's too late now and too unfamiliar! Hehe... Hopefully by Monday I'll have a solid Windows 10 machine with a virtual machine (probably also running Windows 10 now that I now I can upgrade for a while longer). The VM will be my internet whore and, should she pick up a virus, I'll just restore back to a golden copy. I've decided there's no reason to have a second VM for work and development, I'll just do that on the host machine (much better for high-end graphics too). Let's see... 2:45am. Almost time to take a nap, eh?
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/31 10:34:10
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I've read that you can turn off the automatic Windows Update by turning off the service itself. Then you have to start it manually when/if you want to get updates.
With the way that I use my PC's, if they start rebooting in the middle of the night I will be heading up the road to Redmond to throw rocks into their Windows®.
I have not had any issues with the updates much. But, yeah, I would like to have a little bit more control of my own computer, and can't. 1984 is still alive and well, and it will kill anyone that does not stand up with it! What else is knew, and we allow politicians to continue playing games with us, and kiss the folks that do control us. I can see, how Microsoft thinks that being able to update faster is important, and might help with viruses and many other baddies, but in the end, I have no written assurances, that they are never going to "look" or say anything about what they found. Or, even better, and fully ready for the paranoia camp, they are doing what the government is not smart enough to do, and will break the jive wars by _________ real quick. Not to mention _________________ and ....
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/31 10:40:55
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I tried to upgrade to Windows 10 only to find that the free upgrade ended yesterday. Well, for the "normal" public anyway. A little digging and I found that there's a new website that will be up for another few months as long as you're willing to have no shame (it didn't stop me).
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I have a laptop and another machine to upgrade. I think I will be purchasing one disk, so I have it, anyway, and then I can use it to reload anytime I need to. Surprisingly enough, I have had no issues with any of the machines in any way. I was afraid to upgrade the music machine since it has the sound card made by M-Audio ... the only card I have ever seen that has so many ins and outs ... that will never be used and no one knows how to use them! I was not comfortable having to chase drivers, specially for a company now exactly well known to work well with Windows. Their software for that car, is still bizarre and worthless. So many choices, always when they are not being used, of course!
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/07/31 12:27:18
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Ironically, just putting a bare-minimum install of Windows 8.1 on my SSD drive was far more of a hassle than the Windows 10 upgrade. I had a BSOD with some bizarre Kernal Power event message followed by this informational event: "The system has been constrained to a periodic tick." I was wondering if I needed to take my PC to a vet! My roommate tried for hours to get the free Windows 10 upgrade on the last day and couldn't so I assumed their servers were slammed. Because I went that sneaky route I had no issues at all.  So, now I've got two working OS' which means I can run back to this one whenever I want as I get the other one going. Also on the docket for today is a full Windows 10 tutorial (watched at double speed and skipping over chapters on things I won't be using like their new mail client). Going from Office 2007 to Office 2016 and Visual Studio 2005 to VS 2015 will probably require watching a bunch of tutorials (already downloaded) as well! It's definitely going to be weird jumping that many versions of things, but it will make my resume look a bit more current! LOL!
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 10:44:01
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Going from Office 2007 to Office 2016 and Visual Studio 2005 to VS 2015 will probably require watching a bunch of tutorials (already downloaded) as well!
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Make sure you read the fine print on the Office 2016. Anything that you "create" in it, basically is owned by Microsoft, since you are using a "free product" and they provide the ability for you to be more effective and duah and dah and deh ... with it. This is a serious concern for many of us, and pretty soon all the DAW's will do the same thing, as a way to steal material from you. The days, of you and I pen'ing something or other and having it on our hands is long gone. I'm not even sure, however have not asked, if I write a screenplay, and make a copy of it, if I can send it to the Library of Congress immediately since I do not trust Microsoft, and their ability to steal something. I would think, and hope, that eventually Congress can draw a line between business materials and work, and creative materials, that should, rightly, belong to their owner. Just crazy ... someone writes about 1984, and then in 2016, it is happening, and no one can do anything about it, or is interested in doing so and the only people we can put in government are the richest that already steal from us all! I don't get it! Not sure anyone else does, either!
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 12:38:15
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craigb
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Going from Office 2007 to Office 2016 and Visual Studio 2005 to VS 2015 will probably require watching a bunch of tutorials (already downloaded) as well!
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Make sure you read the fine print on the Office 2016. Anything that you "create" in it, basically is owned by Microsoft, since you are using a "free product" and they provide the ability for you to be more effective and duah and dah and deh ... with it.
1. Anything I create using Office 2016 belongs to ME, not Microsoft. 2. It certainly wasn't free. Not really sure what you meant to say either...
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 14:15:50
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I tried to upgrade to 10 just so I would have it at some time later and intending to go immediately back to 7. It didn't work out that way. During the 'upgrade' I got some really cryptic error that almost bricked my system. It wouldn't let me repair Win7 nor reload from scratch as I kept getting errors about the drives. You can imagine I was not a happy camper!
After stripping all the drives out and re-installing an old drive just for a reload to win7. I was finally able to reload to a recent backup and get everything back to working. Talk about a lost weekend...
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 14:23:46
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Moshkito
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Going from Office 2007 to Office 2016 and Visual Studio 2005 to VS 2015 will probably require watching a bunch of tutorials (already downloaded) as well!
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Make sure you read the fine print on the Office 2016. Anything that you "create" in it, basically is owned by Microsoft, since you are using a "free product" and they provide the ability for you to be more effective and duah and dah and deh ... with it.
1. Anything I create using Office 2016 belongs to ME, not Microsoft.
2. It certainly wasn't free.
Not really sure what you meant to say either...
Exactly....
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 15:24:28
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I thought I'd read that superfetch doesn't touch SSDs. Am I mis-remembering that?
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 15:38:23
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I thought I'd read that superfetch doesn't touch SSDs. Am I mis-remembering that?
Not sure, but it sure doesn't need to! Also remember: Avoid defragging an SSD, it's not necessary and can actually (very slightly) shorten the life of the drive. 
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 17:13:03
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bitflipper
I thought I'd read that superfetch doesn't touch SSDs. Am I mis-remembering that?
Not sure, but it sure doesn't need to!
Also remember: Avoid defragging an SSD, it's not necessary and can actually (very slightly) shorten the life of the drive.
I was thinking about that last night. Since there is not a mechanical move of a head, there should only be a slight time difference for fragmented SSD's and only have any impact when LARGE files are scattered. Taken at face value of a simple move of a file part during defrag, it should not cause undue read or write (given 1 read/1write per move). But since SSD's lifecycles are dependent on read and write at each particular memory address it could be much better to have fragmented files. In theory, file fragments could be scattered over the whole SSD memory address instead of reading from the same block repeatedly - like OS files. Kinda like preventing burn-in on the old CRT monitors. Just a thought.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 17:21:43
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There you go again, thinking! 
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/01 19:11:24
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I thought I'd read that superfetch doesn't touch SSDs. Am I mis-remembering that?
I believe it used to get automatically turned off if you had an SSD. But regardless if it is touching anything or not, quite a few of us had an issue with W10 memory and that particular problem went away when the service was disabled.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/02 01:13:15
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There you go again, thinking!
Dang it. I have to remember to call my sponsor when I feel a thought coming on! Oops, that would be thinking about my sponsor though. Argh. :)
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/06 09:17:43
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By the way, am I the only one calling this OS "Windows Two?"
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/10 04:01:51
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Ok, so no one liked that joke. Fine. I'll be helpful anyway! My desktop install of Windows 10 (a clean install of Windows 8.1 then an immediate upgrade to 10) went smooth. My old laptop (a.k.a. the Brick) not so much. Here's what I've learned: If you have issues with Windows 10 getting stuck (usually at 99% after hours of installing), make sure you have an Anti-Virus program that's both compatible with Windows 10 and turned off for the install. Mine had some Symantec offering that, even with everything off and disabled, STILL was quarantining install files... It's now removed from the system. Next, change the Windows Update service to type "Manual" (in Control Panel, Services) and stop it (using Task Manager, Processes). Reboot and try again. An alternate way (to the reboot method) is to kill the process SetupHost.exe. After a bit, the Windows Upgrade Assistant will put up a window saying something went wrong with a button to try again. That's where I've gotten to so far... It's trying again as I type this.
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Re: Questions for Windows 10 users
2016/08/10 04:05:33
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And that worked!
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