jkoseattle
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Quick Start should understand crashes
Just a passing thought. I realize this is a feature request, but I just feel like saying this. On my music workstation, I leave Sonar open pretty much all the time so that I can get to work quickly when I have a spare few minutes. For this reason, 90% of the time Sonar closes is because of a crash, which occurs about twice a week. Unfortunately, the Quick Start dialog that appears when Sonar is started doesn't understand this, so the most recent project that is offered to open is actually the last project that was open THE LAST TIME SONAR CLOSED PROPERLY, which for me is rare. So in order to re-populate Quick Start correctly, I have to manually close Sonar while my current project is open, and then re-start Sonar. Quick Start should understand that it is part of an application that frequently crashes, and should get populated when a project is opened, not when Sonar is closed.
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/10 11:28:42
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I'm not sure I get 100% correct picture of the situation. Does your PC go to sleep mode, and crashes trying to wake up? I've never gotten anything but problems using sleep mode with SONAR or any complicated application, so I've turned it off.
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JonD
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/10 11:48:11
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Assuming your sig specs are correct, you are still on Sonar X3. Not sure what you want the CW devs to do about that, since it's no longer being developed. The latest Sonar is vastly improved over X3, with hundreds of fixes and enhancements done in the last two years. Many of us using Platinum aren't experiencing the frequent crashes you are, so it seems to me the ball is in your court....
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John
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/10 11:55:17
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/06/13 12:56:44
Also to think its part of normal use for a crash to happen isn't right. I would find out why you have crashes. Its not normal to have them. Already the above posts have offered good ideas to look into. I would do that and spend time finding the cause. You may have a power issue if you are using a USB audio interface.
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jkoseattle
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 10:15:45
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Um, Really? Sonar has regularly (every few days) crashed on me for at least a decade, spanning multiple versions and several different PCs, synths and plug-ins. I'm not about to upgrade yet again. And there are issues with Sonar that go back to the 90's that have never been fixed. I faithfully look at the What's New for each version, and what I invariably see is more and more and more bells and whistles but scant attention paid to the most basic usability issues. I agree that X3e is much more stable than X3a, but I've installed the Platinum trial, and there just isn't reason enough to upgrade and also switch to their subscription model. Add to that their passive-aggressive support policy ("We're here for you -- uh, that is between 10am and 3pm Pacific time, so you have to take a day off work if you want to talk to us") Honestly, I'm waiting for a version that is announced with "We've added NO new functionality! We spent the last six months fixing everything that's already in there." THAT I will buy.
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JonD
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 10:49:02
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jkoseattle ... Honestly, I'm waiting for a version that is announced with "We've added NO new functionality! We spent the last six months fixing everything that's already in there." THAT I will buy.
Has never happened with any version of any DAW software. Ever. They're all running a business, so it's disingenuous to think it could ever happen. The best any software company can hope to do is fix as many issues that are widespread (the DEAL-BREAKERS), while adding new features. I think CW has done a great job on this, particularly in the past two years. All that being said, I'm not entirely convinced your issues are due to Sonar per se. X3 was solid for me -- yes, I still had the occasional crash, but nothing regular or like what you're describing. Have you reached out on the forum to try and troubleshoot these issues?
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Anderton
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 12:14:56
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I can't remember the last time Platinum crashed on me, and I use it pretty much every day, often for several hours at a time. At one point when I was having regular crashes, they stopped after I switched to a different audio interface with different drivers. If you're getting lots of crashes and you've been getting them consistently, you need to look beyond SONAR. The last update for the Delta 1010 (presumably the Delta you're using) was in 2012. If you've done any Windows 7 updates, who knows how it's interacting with those drivers. There have also been documented issues with E-W Play and older operating systems. Remember, Windows 7 was released over 6 years ago. I know a lot of people continue to use Windows 7 because it was stable and reliable. But that doesn't mean it will always be stable as the world around it changes. As to the Quick Start remembering a project you've opened, SONAR doesn't know a project is the most "recent" one unless you save it to update the project's time stamp. Think about it - if you haven't updated the time stamp and the computer crashes, how will SONAR know it was the most recent project?
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KPerry
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 12:24:57
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/06/13 12:57:42
By recording (registry, which is where it's recorded anyway, numerically) when a project was *opened*, not when it was saved - that date then defines the most recent project. That's a change to now, but a very logical one.
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jimfogle
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 12:27:40
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Perhaps a workaround could be to add a step to your workflow where you save each project just after you load the project. That way the just loaded project becomes the current project. How often do your projects save automatically? My daw, Music Creator 6, automatically saves the project I'm working on every ten minutes. You may find your projects are saved but you're not aware ofit.
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Anderton
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 15:13:34
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KPerry By recording (registry, which is where it's recorded anyway, numerically) when a project was *opened*, not when it was saved - that date then defines the most recent project. That's a change to now, but a very logical one.
Is this something SONAR can do, or does it have to tell Windows? Seems it sometimes complications occur when SONAR tries to circumvent something where Windows has specific rules. Remember I don't know anything about code, though...maybe this is something where SONAR would have to cordon off part of the registry to store opened projects instead of just saved ones, and tell the Start Screen to always look if an opened project has a newer date than a saved one? Although I just thought of something...I would hate for the Start Screen to do that, because for every project I open, I probably only save 1 in 10 anyway. A lot of times I open a project to try out a plug-in, test something to respond to a forum query, audition a microphone, etc. My Start Screen would be cluttered with a lot of useless entries. So I'd want a preference to specify whether SONAR considered most recently opened or most recently saved to be the Start Screen's priority. At that point, my temptation is just to say "screw it" - I don't have problems with crashing anyway, so SONAR remembers what I was working on (as soon as I create a "keeper" project, I save it).
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scook
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 15:16:31
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Yes, it would change the design and probably not something everyone would like. Regardless, it will never be changed in X3.
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BobF
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 15:23:54
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You *still* have that VS700? IMO, there are 3 things of interest in the OP: 1. Crashes 2. Startup + project load times 3. How Sonar keeps track of recent projects (1) and (2) should be tracked down for sure and might make (3) less critical, although I have had times when I had to resort to File>Open to get to the last project I was working. It would be nice if the list was updated early, but I personally don't see problems often enough consider this worthy of high priority. (1) and (2) could be related if, for example, there is a marginal disk involved. I would definitely check the system event logs for disk related error/warning messages. Defrag of drives might bring performance back to acceptable levels. Configuring such that programs, projects+audio and samples are all on different drives might help too. If the load times are long due to humongous project size or heavy sample use, then SSD might be an option to help alleviate startup pain.
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 16:40:16
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Anderton I can't remember the last time Platinum crashed on me, and I use it pretty much every day, often for several hours at a time.
this is me as well. but I do remember the last crash, it was Easter Sunday of this year. (2 months ago.) and I use sonar every single day a few hours a day / sometimes 8 hours a day. im not cakewalk homer, fan boy either. if it didn't work I would move on. I use sonar because it has been more dependable then anything else ive tried. that being said, I work in a rhythm, I don't save while the transport is running, I build a new system every 2 years. I know not everyone can do that. but a new set up (same soundcard= Focuserite 18I8). which have up to date drivers. all this equals out to successful sessions.
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Anderton
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 20:33:52
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BobF You *still* have that VS700?
Yup, nobody wants it. I guess that's a sign from the SONAR Gods that I should just keep using it as a Mackie-compatible controller, and that I should use my sig to promote my upcoming web site
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Kev999
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 20:51:11
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JonD ...you are still on Sonar X3. Not sure what you want the CW devs to do about that, since it's no longer being developed...
scook ...Regardless, it will never be changed in X3.
I'm sure that the OP understands that only the latest version of the software is maintained. Feature requests should not be restricted to current subscibers. Users of earlier versions who may potentially upgrade should not be discouraged from submitting their ideas.
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scook
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 21:22:28
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Kev999 I'm sure that the OP understands that only the latest version of the software is maintained.
I make no such assumption Kev999 Feature requests should not be restricted to current subscibers. Users of earlier versions who may potentially upgrade should not be discouraged from submitting their ideas.
The feature request area http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx is open to all forum users. I would encourage anyone with a feature request submit them there.
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JonD
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/13 22:00:16
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Kev999
JonD ...you are still on Sonar X3. Not sure what you want the CW devs to do about that, since it's no longer being developed...
I'm sure that the OP understands that only the latest version of the software is maintained. Feature requests should not be restricted to current subscibers. Users of earlier versions who may potentially upgrade should not be discouraged from submitting their ideas.
I was addressing the fact that his system is constantly crashing, not about his feature request.
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Kev999
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/14 00:23:00
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JonD
Kev999
JonD ...you are still on Sonar X3. Not sure what you want the CW devs to do about that, since it's no longer being developed...
I'm sure that the OP understands that only the latest version of the software is maintained. Feature requests should not be restricted to current subscibers. Users of earlier versions who may potentially upgrade should not be discouraged from submitting their ideas.
I was addressing the fact that his system is constantly crashing, not about his feature request.
Maybe I was reading too much into it. Sorry.
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KPerry
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/14 09:56:17
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Update recent on load (not save) is how Word etc work, so I think SONAR should behave the same way.
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jkoseattle
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/14 10:48:30
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I save my projects as a habit constantly, asnd have even assigned it to a mouse button. HOWEVER< saving a project does not turn it into the most recent project in the dialog. That dialog only gets updated when you close the project entirely. Look everyone, I am certainly a fan of Sonar, as I have been using it exclusively for music since 1989. What it does is nothing short of a miracle. But the argument that it's better than the others holds no meaning for me. I want better than it was, not merely better than the competition. The reality for me is that it gets in the way and slows things down for me constantly, and always has. After 27 years of submitting repeated feature requests with none of them ever having been implemented, you can understand why I might be jaded now. My suggestions have been simple, obvious, and useful. Here are some: * I don't care what color events are in PRV. I just want them so that if there are multiple tracks showing that I can tell them apart. I want Sonar to pick colors that are distinct from each other, and adjust them depending on how many tracks are displayed. * I want to quickly change the time signature for a single bar or sequence of bars. Musically it's much more common for a time sig change to be a transitory thing, but Sonar's time sig tool assumes any change goes to the end of the song, requiring two operations. And the dialog should have radio buttons for the most common time signatures. And why are the plus-minus buttons so microscopic? And why is the key change operation in the same dialog? And why is the only way to see where a time signature has changed by divining it from the width of the bar in track view? Why isn't there a big marker that says "Here it's now 6/4". * I want it to be MUCH easier to insert bars into the middle of a piece. Even Selecting All and then carefully choosing to slide over everything when inserting time/measures does not get everything, because a second operation is required to also slide over bus envelopes. Why???? And why are there four Insert operations listed in the Project menu, when there's a perfectly good INSERT menu they would more logically be in? * Why are Sonar's color palette selections so limiting? When I want black I don't want dark gray. When I want Yellow I don't want a dusty version of yellow. * And don't get me started on take lanes
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Anderton
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Re: Quick Start should understand crashes
2016/06/14 13:29:24
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jkoseattle * I want it to be MUCH easier to insert bars into the middle of a piece. Even Selecting All and then carefully choosing to slide over everything when inserting time/measures does not get everything, because a second operation is required to also slide over bus envelopes. Why???? And why are there four Insert operations listed in the Project menu, when there's a perfectly good INSERT menu they would more logically be in? * Why are Sonar's color palette selections so limiting? When I want black I don't want dark gray. When I want Yellow I don't want a dusty version of yellow. * And don't get me started on take lanes
Apparently you aren't the only one...Cakewalk is working on ripple editing and comping/take lane management to take care of requests (1) and (3). As to (2) the expanded color picker from the last update is helpful, but also check out my "Friday's Tip of the Week" for Week #53 - How to Get *Really* Vibrant Track/Console Colors. It may not be exactly what you want, but based on what you're saying it sounds like it sure comes a lot closer.
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