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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 21:42:55 (permalink)
Thanks, fresh. That was extremely helpful. I think this will work on some of the better takes with some learning and elbow grease. BTW... how the heck did that Anderton fellow get so smart? Love that guy. :-)
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 21:49:01 (permalink)
Yeah, but ultimately it's just a bandpass eq and clever use of M/S routing. Just all packaged into one easy to use plug.

I see a few people comparing to to Melodyne... It's NOTHING like melodyne at all. There are no similarities whatsoever.


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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:00:39 (permalink)
If Melodyne is more accurate then I should probably take a closer look at it. However X2 will end up being something I'd have to buy anyway so this would be a bonus. I have manage to do very basic isolation on stuff like snare hits with just an EQ and the waveform and sure it's possible but for a droog like me the pretty colours will definitely help. And really if I went through ALL the stuff I had that just have vocals cranked too loud or just crappy sound, too much audience noise, line noise/tape hiss, no bottom end, thin guitars and other generally simple tweaks like that I think I could still get a ton of useful material happening. As I said I'll need to research this more because there is a lot of stuff I would just love to use but it's already printed in stereo and I figured aside from just EQing it out (essentially polishing a turd) I had no other options. Even minimal isolation/extraction would be massively useful to me. Cheers.
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:01:06 (permalink)
Yes, I referred to Melodyne due to the Op's question prior to that post.. And I certainly would never compare the two although Melodyne has the advertised capability to isolate one instrument from another to certain degree.
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:05:43 (permalink)
That was a good article.   Craig had found some very interesting uses for it.
 
 
It's NOTHING like melodyne at all. There are no similarities whatsoever.

 
I'm hoping it will compliment Melodyne.  I find the DNA technology to be fun and with the right track can do very creative things.  I once changed the bass and horn lines in an excerpt from Brick House as a test, and while not all the results were perfect, it wasn't all that bad. 
 
I'm picturing R-Mix being along the same lines, but instead of changing melodies or copying blobs for harmonies, it'd be more like plugging a mixer into a stereo track and using its faders, pan knobs, EQ and inserts to adjust each channel.     I can dream... 
 

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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:06:26 (permalink)
Whoa... Melodyne seems to be $700. Do they have less expensive versions for twerps like me? Any other programs I should look at that won't leave me starving?
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:08:19 (permalink)
Melodyne Editor should be roughly half that amount.   I think.

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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:08:31 (permalink)
Actually does V-Vocal operate in a similar manner over the whole spectrum? Maybe I can just do some rough stuff for fun that way for now.
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:09:32 (permalink)
Thanks, stevec. That is a little more sane. Hope you've been well.
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:12:42 (permalink)
Wasn't referring to you specifically, Earl ;) It was more a comment I read on the link to that article haha

Beepster, from the sounds of what you want to do, it'll probably help you a lot as it should be very quick and easy to do. Of course it's not going to turn things into a masterpiece but should at least help make things much more listenable and reasonably balanced. You could clone your master and using a clone of the exact position settings in R-Mix, have vocal in one and no vocal in the other. Then just process the vocal as you would normally including compression, eq and reverb etc. Of you're if you're fixing hundreds of tracks it might be easier to just do it all inside the plug. But I prefer using my own eqs and compressors. Even if a reverb unit has pre and post eq built in, I still prefer to use my own one regardless... Don't really know why though, come to think of it.. Maybe it's just cause I'm more comfortable with an eq interface that I know...


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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:16:32 (permalink)
Melodyne editor is the only one with DNA

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=383

I'm hoping it will compliment Melodyne.  I find the DNA technology to be fun and with the right track can do very creative things.  I once changed the bass and horn lines in an excerpt from Brick House as a test, and while not all the results were perfect, it wasn't all that bad.      I'm picturing R-Mix being along the same lines, but instead of changing melodies or copying blobs for harmonies, it'd be more like plugging a mixer into a stereo track and using its faders, pan knobs, EQ and inserts to adjust each channel.     I can dream...   


Yeah I'd imagine that would be the case. Both in the same kind of tool genre, but doing different things. You could use them both well together, I imagine.


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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:17:57 (permalink)
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Actually does V-Vocal operate in a similar manner over the whole spectrum? Maybe I can just do some rough stuff for fun that way for now.

V-Vocal can only handle monophonic. It'll probably spaz out if you get it to analyse something complex.


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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:20:09 (permalink)
I hear ya'! :) I think we all have dreamed of a piece of software that would break a stereo track into individual components that could be completely be re-mixed to our liking. When that becomes available it will turn the engineering world upside down. I think Celemony is in the infant stage of this right now. Who knows what the future holds with technology. I'd like to re-mix Axis Bold As Love! Yes?
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:23:50 (permalink)
In addition, the scenario I described above was one of the things we lost when multitrack tape went away. With that you could re-mix Axis Bold As Love provided you could get your hands on the masters. :)
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:38:05 (permalink)
This is wicked cool stuff, guys. I've tried to wrap my head around the crazy in depth notch filtering stuff but really for me having a more visual way to maneuver around the stereo waves will be useful. I've done stuff like clone the same track to draw out elements, tweak them and then smoosh them back together again and things sounded better but not nearly where I'd like them to be. Just gotta keep learning, eh. Cheers.
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:44:55 (permalink)
You guys are drinking the Kool Aid. 

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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:45:39 (permalink)
Thanks, stevec. That is a little more sane. Hope you've been well.

 
No problem.      I'm keeping busy as always.  The Scarlett is still working well.    Although, I have since figured out what caused my initial issue where I had to unplug and replug the device - adjusting the Scarlett mix control outputs while SONAR is still open.  I won't be doing that again.
 
 
Back on topic...
 
Both in the same kind of tool genre, but doing different things. You could use them both well together, I imagine.

Exactly!  At least that's the idea.
 
 
I'd like to re-mix Axis Bold As Love! Yes?

 
I hadn't even thought about breaking out old classics like that, but I like it...  
 

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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 22:46:49 (permalink)
It tastes like purple. *twitch* *thud*
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 23:35:36 (permalink)
you can turn a sausage grinder backwards, but pigs will not come out the top.
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Thanks for the best analogy I've red in such a long time.!! 
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/02 23:53:22 (permalink)
Beepster


It tastes like purple. *twitch* *thud*


Actually, the line is "It tastes like burning". ;-p
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 00:11:12 (permalink)
Well I was going more for a "Beepster meets Jim Jones" type visual but Ralf Wiggum chowing out on random killberries works too... especially considering that was the Lord of the Flies parody. lulz...
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 00:17:02 (permalink)
looking forward to trying this plugin out. It does seem to be missing the vari-phase section though (pitch sliders and the tempo adjustment)

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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 00:29:01 (permalink)
"Mmm, all that slime made the boar extra tender!"
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 01:09:46 (permalink)
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Will the R-Mix in X2 work on 24bit audio files?


Indeed it will. It works as a plugin on any track, bus, etc and is fully automatable.

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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 01:41:04 (permalink)
Oh sure, answer the sane guy with the reasonable question. ;-p
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 06:37:05 (permalink)
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mike_mccue


Will the R-Mix in X2 work on 24bit audio files?


Indeed it will. It works as a plugin on any track, bus, etc and is fully automatable.



+ya


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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 06:55:30 (permalink)
I figure it as an advanced spectral analyzer/editor. Pretty cool, I guess.
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 08:41:21 (permalink)
I have had R-Mix for a few days and finding it to be a great tool for dissecting songs for the sake of learning harmony parts for background vocals and instrument parts that may be hard to hear in a dense mix. When doing anything drastic there are tons of phasing artifacts but for learning parts it doesn't matter. For subtle changes in level and panning of instruments/vocals in a mix the artifacts aren't too bad.
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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 08:47:47 (permalink)
It's nice to hear from someone that's actually been using it, thanks.   I certainly have my hopes up for it...

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Re:RE R-Mix... What the heck? 2012/08/03 08:53:27 (permalink)
I'd remind everyone to remember the Audiosnap demos on video that "always" work as intended.  Audiosnap works well in ideal conditions and the demos seem to work that angle.

I'm betting that R-Mix will be a handy tool to have but don't expect it to work miracles all the time.

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