REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne Essential technique!!

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REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne Essential technique!!

Maybe everyone already knows this and I'm late to the party, but I stumbled on this technique by accident and it's pretty mind-blowing.
 
I was recording an audio example for gibson.com of how to use the QuadCurve EQ to shape the piezo sound of a J-35 acoustic guitar. The audio example involved strumming chords (no arpeggiation, single notes, etc.) - the kind of rhythm guitar part you'd play behind a singer/songwriter.
 
By creating a Region FX and invoking the Percussion algorithm, I can transpose an individual chord as one "unit." It's not the same as polyphonic mode in that the notes aren't broken out separately, but I was able to transpose individual chords and entire tracks up and down 4 semitones with acceptable audio quality. After that you start to get the Darth Vader/Mickey Mouse effect, but in many cases it's still useable.
 
So yes, you read it right - polyphonic acoustic guitar rhythm track transposition with Melodyne Essential!
 
 

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    Anderton
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:09:33 (permalink)
    But wait...there's more. I then created a copy, took off the Region FX from the copy, and transposed it by the same amount using the Process > Transpose option. There were just enough differences between Melodyne's idea of transposition and iZotope's that there were some cool flanging effects in mono, and quite a widening effect when spread in stereo.

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:26:11 (permalink)
    Which iZotope are you using for this? It sounds interesting, but I'd still rather play my guitar parts(bass, mandolin, etc). I suppose there are all kinds of other uses for it. The fact that Melodyne can do it, is good to know.
     
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:27:31 (permalink)
    I just tried this with an entire mixed song and was able to modulate it up a semitone...but also, the song was broken up into individual blobs, so I could take like just the chorus or just the first couple chords of the verse and transpose. The quality isn't quite as good as the iZotope algorithms with complex material but it's definitely useable.

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:28:30 (permalink)
    AND...you can turn off snap to grid and transpose using intervals smaller than a semitone! An X-Series first!
     

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:28:31 (permalink)
    Sounds interesting. I have been using zplane Elastique Pitch for simple pitch shift. Might need to combine approaches to see what happens.
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:30:30 (permalink)
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    Which iZotope are you using for this? It sounds interesting, but I'd still rather play my guitar parts(bass, mandolin, etc). I suppose there are all kinds of other uses for it. The fact that Melodyne can do it, is good to know.
     
    Michael




    I'm using the iZotope pitch transposition algorithm in Sonar. But maybe I wasn't clear - I'm applying this to a rhythm guitar part I already played. The cool thing is that I was able to transpose the entire part up or down with decent sound quality. The fact that Melodyne breaks the part into individual "blobs" so you can transpose some chords or sections but not others individually is just icing on the cake.
     
    And the option to transpose by only a few cents is really helpful, too.

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:35:18 (permalink)
    scook
    Sounds interesting. I have been using zplane Elastique Pitch for simple pitch shift. Might need to combine approaches to see what happens.




    It's the separation of the part into blobs that makes this really interesting. I was able to drop a couple chords by a semitone to throw in some flatted sevenths, and it changed the feel of the song completely.

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:37:44 (permalink)
    Yes, like chopping the track up and using clip FX bin (or automation) except relying on Melodyne blobs instead of chopping up the track.
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 14:42:40 (permalink)
    Back in the day, the semitones option would have really helped with harmonicas, etc! I can see the advantages of small amounts and being able to transpose the end of a song, would be a great option. (or the middle or a verse to create a middle, etc).
       It's sort of "Synaptic on the cheap!" LOL
     
    I'm sure you'll think up lots more ideas at the rate you're going!
    Michael
     
     
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 15:24:30 (permalink)
    scook
    Yes, like chopping the track up and using clip FX bin (or automation) except relying on Melodyne blobs instead of chopping up the track.




    Exactly, and it's a lot less effort to drag blobs than apply transposition individually to a bunch of cut-up clips.
     
    The next thing I'm going to try is really twisted but I think it will work. 
     
    So can I put on my resume that I found a Sonar technique scook didn't know about? That would definitely enhance my reputation 

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 15:58:09 (permalink)
    Someone should demonstrate this in a video. I nominate the man who brought it up!

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 21:48:39 (permalink)
    I'd like to know more about the technique to deal with piezo quack Craig if that's possible / link.
     
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 21:58:08 (permalink)
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    I'd like to know more about the technique to deal with piezo quack Craig if that's possible / link.



    It will be published within the next week on Gibson.com. There will also be ProChannel presets for Gibson's J-35. The J-35 doesn't have as "narrow" a quack as some other guitars, so it's easy to fix with a little cutting. Other guitars need more work, but the basic principle is the same.

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/29 22:14:01 (permalink)
    Thanks, I'll be on the lookout for it.
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/30 09:33:43 (permalink)
    That (the quack) certainly falls into the "very handy" camp for me, with Sophie, my American Eskimo, a little breed that barks loudly and regularly .....consistently? ......all the time! LOL
       The option to double and widen the stereo image sounds exciting, too.
    Michael
     
     
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/30 13:37:48 (permalink)
    The next thing I'm going to try is really twisted but I think it will work.

     
    Well, it sorta worked...what I wanted to do was play all the same note on guitar but with the desired phrasing, thenmove the blobs around to create a melody. However, any interesting melody required moving some blobs to an interval that was out of the "comfort sound" for sound quality. Another issue was all the little resonances and sympathetic vibrations in the guitar, which I'd never really noticed that much before, became transposed and therefore obvious.
     
    However I did experiment some more with transposing chords and doing general transpositions of under a semitone, and it really does work amazingly well with a polyphonic sound sound. I also found out that parts didn't always require a hard attack - some chords that had more of a strummed beginning worked equally well. Slight pitch transpositions also worked well for adding interest to background vocals.
     
    Fun stuff with Melodyne...I gotta upgrade to the Editor version!! The more I use Melodyne, the more I like it.

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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/30 13:59:32 (permalink)
    I am surprised you don't have it. I figured you would, "knowing the boss and all"! LOL
    I can't wait to hear/find out what you discover with that!
    Michael
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    Re: REALLY COOL (well, at least I think so) Melodyne technique!! 2014/05/30 14:01:44 (permalink)
    pentimentosound
    I am surprised you don't have it. I figured you would, "knowing the boss and all"! LOL
    I can't wait to hear/find out what you discover with that!
    Michael



    I don't upgrade third party versions immediately so that articles and tips use the same setup that most users have. For example the recent blog posts I did for vocal month on ADT and generating harmonies only needed Essential. However...with all the cool Melodyne tips floating around that are based around Editor, upgrading from Essential just jumped to the top of my personal stack. Gonna do it tonight...

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