ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3

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ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3

It seems i've tried everything.  Latest driver for Quad Capture is installed.  My other DAW recognizes Quad Capture consistently and functions properly.
Sonar X3e is consistenly blind to the Quad Capture interface.  I re-installed Sonar, still no go.  Any suggestions?
 
Thanks for your time and help.
 
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 08:22:53 (permalink)
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 09:53:50 (permalink)
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/PLEASE-RECOMMEND-AN-AUDIO-INTERFACE-m2880540.aspx#2887792
     
    So last time you posted you were having trouble with your Scarlett 8i6. You never really came back to say if you resolved your issue. 
    Did you ever let Matt from focusrite help you out? 
    did you every optimize your computer? 
     
    Anyhow the currant issue, If Sonar is not seeing the Quad Capture, what is it seeing? Your on board card? If so disable it. 
     

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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 10:36:45 (permalink)
    First off, does windows see the QUAD? If it doesn't, then Sonar will never see it.
    2nd, Disable or uninstall your onboard sound chip.
    3rd, make sure your type of drivers and your windows architecture match. If its 64bit, you need to install 64bit drivers, if the QUAD even has it.
     
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 11:58:52 (permalink)
    OK - perhaps it is not being seen because you have a non-ASIO Driver Mode specified in Preferences, such as possibly using WDM drivers for the Windows on-board sound.
     
    Fire up Sonar, hit 'ESC' to close the Quick Start dialog box, and then hit 'P' on your computer keyboard to bring up the Sonar Preferences dialog box.
     
    Navigate to Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording, and look at what is specified for Driver Mode.  
     
    If it isn't set to ASIO, you will likely not be able to see your interface show up in Devices.  IF this is the case, you can't simply change the Driver Mode yet to ASIO.  First, you have to go back and remove the check boxes from any enabled Devices, so navigate to Preferences>Audio>Devices, and remove the checks from any enabled devices.  THEN, go back to Preferences>Audio>Playback and Recording, and you should now be able to change Driver Mode to ASIO.
     
    Once Driver Mode is set to ASIO, if you go back again to Preferences>Audio>Devices, you should (hopefully) see your audio interface show up and be able to be selected.  (IF your ASIO drivers for the audio interface are installed in Windows).
     
    I hope I have explained the above well enough to be followed.  Please let me know if I melted your brain, and I will take another stab at explaining it.
     
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 12:03:55 (permalink)
    Disabling or uninstalling a computer's on-board sound is not normally a required step, although some folks do this.
     
    Many folks choose to run with the Windows Default Audio Device set to the on-board sound, and then the music applications, such as Sonar, are set to point to the audio interface.  This is how I choose to run, and it gives me the ability to play music through Windows at the same time I also have Sonar up and running, and I have no issues or conflict when I do this.  Rather, I have use for doing that.
     
    There is nothing 'wrong' about disabling one's on-board sound, but it is certainly not normally required.
     
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 12:09:10 (permalink)
    Bob when trouble shooting this particular issue it is a common step to take. Especially if someone has a PCI sound card installed. They are notorious for hoging the audio engine. What CJ said about checking windows is good advice too.
    Let's wait for the OP before spending to much effort here, Last time he posted he never came back.

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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 12:40:06 (permalink)
    While it is commonly recommended, it is often represented almost as a fact that it needs to be done, and that is just not the case.
     
    If Sonar is not using the on-board sound as its audio device, for instance if Sonar is set to use a completely different device (like the ASIO drivers for an audio interface), then the conditions are not present for there to be a potential for 'conflict' between Sonar and Windows for the on-board sound device.
     
    I DO agree that the original poster should check to make sure he has the correct version if his audio interface drivers, and that he has the appropriate 32/64 bit one that matches his OS configuration.
     
    At the same time, if he simply was pointing to the WDM driver mode, getting that properly set to ASIO and getting the audio interface to be seen and selected in Sonar, then he should be able to have the option of leaving his on-board sound enabled and it then specified as the Windows Default Audio Device, such as what I do.
     
    I find that a useful thing to do, and unless there is a problem with it determined, I don't think it should be represented that someone should always just go and disable or uninstall their on-board sound.
     
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 12:50:42 (permalink)
    Oh - and Cactus - I agree that if this original poster has abandoned posts in the past, that waiting to make sure they are engaged in the thread is DEFINITELY a good idea.
     
    Thanks for the heads up that they had done that in the past :)
     
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 20:27:21 (permalink)
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    It seems i've tried everything.  Latest driver for Quad Capture is installed.  My other DAW recognizes Quad Capture consistently and functions properly.
    Sonar X3e is consistenly blind to the Quad Capture interface.  I re-installed Sonar, still no go.  Any suggestions?
     
    Thanks for your time and help.
     
    Win 8.1, 64 bit, i7 3.9 GHz, 16 GB ram, 


     Hi. I have had issues getting Sonar to 'see' this card as well...especially if Sonar stops working. I don't know if this will help you, as Sonar will usually 'see' QC when first starting. However, if as I mentioned, it stops working, then if I restart Sonar, it states there are no audio devices on my system, despite Windows seeing it. So what I do, is after Sonar stops working I have to wait until Sonar shuts down from Task Manager - oh and I have to unplug QC.
     
    Once Sonar disappears from TM - driver hang I've been told - then I re-plug in QC and then right-click on my volume icon and select playback devices. I then click on QC properties and go to 'advanced' and do a test. So I usually hear the test example. I then restart Sonar and it will 9/10 see QC. On the rare occasion it doesn't, I just do the test again after closing Sonar and it's game on.
     
    It's a bizarre work-around, but it gets me working again without needing to reboot...loggin off/on again does not work.

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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/27 20:34:06 (permalink)
    There are some common USB issues...not sure if they apply here, but you never know.
     
    • USB 3 vs. 2. Some 2.0 interfaces aren't happy with 3.0. Some are happier with 3.0. Who knows?
    • USB port sleep being active, which you need to turn off in Device Manager.
    • Forgetting to turn on the USB interface, and then Sonar uses the onboard sound card. Now it thinks the onboard sound card is what you want to use because that's what it sees.
    • USB having a bad day, going into a bar, getting drunk, and passing out. Once it's passed out, it doesn't work any more until it becomes sober.
     
    I did manage to solve a variety of "weird" USB problems by getting a USB 2.0 PCI card and using it exclusively for USB audio devices.
     

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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/28 13:44:06 (permalink)
    Yes Bob I agree that in most cases on board sound chips don't cause a problem. And I would not go as far as the bios until this became the only solution. But I personally have had this issue at least 4 times now and on different computers and with different usb interfaces.  Three of them had PCI cards. Forth was a standard MOBO chip on my laptop. 
     
    What happens is Sonar seems to loose touch with your USB interface if you have closed Sonar and used the on board sound for something else. Next time you start Sonar it reverts to the on board sound. In some cases for me it was every time I booted. My interface is the first thing I fire up in a boot up. Interface-Computer-wait-then audio system. 
     
    One one computer I had to physically remove the Card to solve the issue of Sonar not grabbing my interface. It was a sound blaster pci card. I wiped all traces of the creative asio driver and forever Sonar would say the Creative ASIO driver is not available on starting. 
     
    Anyways I see our OP is still sleeping or has gone to cut the grass... 

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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/28 18:11:04 (permalink)
    I should have been more specific in my earlier post.
     
    I was referring to situations where the on-board sound isn't using a set of ASIO drivers, and Sonar or your other music production software are the only applications using ASIO driver mode.
     
    When there are multiple ASIO drivers present that are loaded into Windows memory, they too will be seen by Sonar, when Sonar loads and Sonar is set to a Driver Mode of ASIO.  This CAN be problematic, as folks often find out when they have ASIO4ALL installed along with their more high-end 'real' ASIO drivers from an audio interface.
     
    Sooooo, for computers where the Windows Default Audio Device is set to the on-board sound, AND that set of drivers is NOT ASIO, if Sonar is set to Driver Mode of ASIO and the audio interface drivers are installed, THEN the on-board sound can exist peacefully to be used by all non-Sonar applications, while Sonar will just as cheerfully use the ASIO drivers of the audio interface.
     
    THAT is a better explanation (I hope), of what I meant to describe.
     
    I seem to recall that Sonar tended to pick and automatically assign the ALPHABETICALLY first detected audio device when multiple ASIO drivers were 'seen' when Sonar started.  This was often problematic.
     
    Folks plugging in their audio interface to different USB ports from one start up to the next also frequently cause themselves problems, as many times the installed drivers will not be 'seen' by Windows or Sonar.
     
    MAYBE, the original poster will come back from hiatus to engage in their thread.
     
    I will consider my above posts to be all I will put out there for this thread, until the OP comes back into the discussion, so until that happens I will bow out of this discussion.  Also, I feel for you on those other bizarre problems from having a second set of ASIO drivers present in the computer.  Glad you have that squared away enough to get your work done without going any more crazy then you currently may be.  :)
     
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/28 18:42:25 (permalink)
    Yep It's a common occurrence for me to.
    The easiest workaround for me is to uninstall and reinstall QC's drivers.
    A pain in the but I'm up and running again quickly.  

    I have empirical evidence this is true... (Bender told me!) 
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    Re: ROLAND QUAD CAPTURE UNSEEN BY SONAR X3 2014/06/28 20:16:46 (permalink)
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    Yep It's a common occurrence for me to.The easiest workaround for me is to uninstall and reinstall QC's drivers.A pain in the but I'm up and running again quickly.  

     
    That shouldn't be necessary...there must be something else going on.

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