Xavier
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/21 21:48:05
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Jim, thanks for sharing the links about the Alexander Technique!
"...helps you release muscular tension and restore your body's original poise. As you address your entire body — not just segments — you learn to improve your overall functioning."
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/21 22:34:45
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+1 for a good PT - one of them helped me totally eliminate a shoulder problem related to guitar playing.
I don't use this any more, but years ago I had hand issue with mice. I got a special foot pedal that did the clicks. Forward for left click, backward for right. Worked great. I just used my arm / hand to position the mouse and clicked with my feet.
The right posture is really helpful - making sure the hand is either parallel with arm or turned down. Never turned up.
I also went to an Arts Medicine clinic - only a few in the US. They stressed warm up excersises and stretches which were good. But the doctor prescribed heavy anti-inflammatories. I totally recommend against taking any NSAID's. No good at all.
After years I finally stumbled onto enzymes - which changed everything for me. There's a product from Germany called Wobenzym - enzyme based. This stuff is fantastic at reducing inflammation and recovering from injuriies. Because of this I have no issues anymore whatsoever - including putting an end to general body aches and back strain, knees, etc. The East German olympic team used to smuggle tons of this stuff in from West Germany after the East Germans were caught using Steriods decades ago. Enzymes are totally natural and safe and legal.
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/21 22:41:06
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This is an important topic, so I wanted to share my experiences. In 1995 I started (a) a job using a PC all day, and (b) a hobby using Cakewalk all night ~ all right-hand mousing; 16 hours a day. After some years, I got major right hand mousing pain issues.
+1000 to using the left hand to "mouse". I never could work well with trackballs (I tried), but take 2 months to force yourself to left hand mouse 100% of the time as "basic training". THEN (after a couple months) do 50 / 50 (left / right) and you'll be OK. My approach is to work (my job) LH and Sonar (at home) RH. Anyone can get used to it.
Also: NEVER use the "prop up thingies" under the lower bottom of your typing keyboard. NEVER set a keyboard tray up other than flat (parallel) to the ground. It amazes me to see people with angled upwards keyboard trays AND with the 'angle" feet extended. THIS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO TENDONITIS!! Keep your keyboard FLAT (even better: very slightly angled DOWNward, if your tray allows).
A flat keyboard orientation and equal left-right mousing will get you past this.
Hope this helps,
Ed
Registered Cakewalk user since 1995
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Jim Wright
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/21 22:42:26
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@Xavier - you're very welcome. It really worked for me (and I'm a pretty critical/cynical SOB about a lot of things). There are other people in my research lab who tried it; all of them had good results as well.
A good trainer matters. It happens that my teacher was also a licensed PT, but had switched over primarily to teaching Alexander technique, because her clients got better results with it, for most things.
Nothing wrong with PT - my daughter has serious foot problems and has reaped huge benefits from a good PT program. But for RSI issues and the like, it seems more effective to learn how to change your biomechanics etc. so that you stop aggravating your body, rather than continuing to treat symptoms.
- Jim
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Jim Wright
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/21 22:45:29
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Also: NEVER use the "prop up thingies" under the lower bottom of your typing keyboard. NEVER set a keyboard tray up other than flat (parallel) to the ground. It amazes me to see people with angled upwards keyboard trays AND with the 'angle" feet extended. THIS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO TENDONITIS!! Keep your keyboard FLAT (even better: very slightly angled DOWNward, if your tray allows). +10 On a different note - I'm a bit surprised that no one has suggested getting something like an AlphaTrack, for Sonar use at least. You might find you used your mouse a lot less if you had an AlphaTrack.... - Jim
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Jim Wright
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/21 23:01:52
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ORIGINAL: guitartrek
After years I finally stumbled onto enzymes - which changed everything for me. There's a product from Germany called Wobenzym - enzyme based. This stuff is fantastic at reducing inflammation and recovering from injuriies. Because of this I have no issues anymore whatsoever - including putting an end to general body aches and back strain, knees, etc. The East German olympic team used to smuggle tons of this stuff in from West Germany after the East Germans were caught using Steriods decades ago. Enzymes are totally natural and safe and legal.
Wobenzym looks interesting, and if the German FDA-equivalent have approved it, it's probably reasonably safe. I have a bit of a problem with the notion that anything "totally natural" is therefore safe. Hemlock is totally natural, you know.... and taking high levels of various "safe" substances can lead to problems. (Just being skeptical, you understand). I did a quick Google search on "wobenyzm side effects" and came up with two credible hits (but only two, and they date from 1991 and 1995): http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/8525134 - in Mexico http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/1809893 - in the Netherlands Two hits is probably not so bad for almost anything. You're probably more likely to take harm from prolonged Vitamin C megadose therapy (see Wikipedia article for possible harmful effects from that; evidence is mixed). - Jim
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guitartrek
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/22 00:55:18
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ORIGINAL: Jim Wright
ORIGINAL: guitartrek
After years I finally stumbled onto enzymes - which changed everything for me. There's a product from Germany called Wobenzym - enzyme based. This stuff is fantastic at reducing inflammation and recovering from injuriies. Because of this I have no issues anymore whatsoever - including putting an end to general body aches and back strain, knees, etc. The East German olympic team used to smuggle tons of this stuff in from West Germany after the East Germans were caught using Steriods decades ago. Enzymes are totally natural and safe and legal.
Wobenzym looks interesting, and if the German FDA-equivalent have approved it, it's probably reasonably safe.
I have a bit of a problem with the notion that anything "totally natural" is therefore safe. Hemlock is totally natural, you know.... and taking high levels of various "safe" substances can lead to problems. (Just being skeptical, you understand).
I did a quick Google search on "wobenyzm side effects" and came up with two credible hits (but only two, and they date from 1991 and 1995):
http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/8525134 - in Mexico
http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/1809893 - in the Netherlands
Two hits is probably not so bad for almost anything. You're probably more likely to take harm from prolonged Vitamin C megadose therapy (see Wikipedia article for possible harmful effects from that; evidence is mixed).
- Jim
Jim - That's pretty interesting about C. I totally agree that natural doesn't mean safe. That's why I said it is natural and safe. The FDA says that Asprin is safe, but it isn't. Wobenzym is. It's the way enzymes work. You can't OD on them like you can with a lot of (natural) vitamins or aspirin. If you take two much ibuprofen or aspriin you can definitely feel a little weird. I can take a triple dose or a 30x dose of wobenzym and I will never feel different and it won't do anything to my body. Your body will only use what it needs. Usually you don't need much, but if you broke your arm, Doctors have recommended take 50 tables to help the healing. Of course most doctors I've talked to never heard of Wobenzym. I tried opening those 2 links, but it wanted me to join. Wobenzym has been around for like 50 years and was developed originally as a cure for cancer. There are (were) a lot of articles about it. This page has their Story which is interesting: http://www.smartbomb.com/readingroom-the-wobenzym-storey.html
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Xavier
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/23 12:02:04
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ORIGINAL: Jim Wright
...and taking high levels of various "safe" substances can lead to problems. (Just being skeptical, you understand).
ORIGINAL: guitartrek
Jim - That's pretty interesting about C. I totally agree that natural doesn't mean safe....
No doubt. The fact that people die from an overdose of WATER, says it all... 
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guitartrek
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/23 21:28:13
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ORIGINAL: Xavier
ORIGINAL: Jim Wright
...and taking high levels of various "safe" substances can lead to problems. (Just being skeptical, you understand).
ORIGINAL: guitartrek
Jim - That's pretty interesting about C. I totally agree that natural doesn't mean safe....
No doubt. The fact that people die from an overdose of WATER, says it all...
Yeah - and the fact that breathing air oxidizes your cells so that you need to take anti-oxidants!
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Treefight
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/01/29 10:45:03
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That Alexander technique looks absolutely fascinating. There is a teacher near me, I may look it up.
Since posting I've bought every type of mouse known to mankind. I think the left handed and eventually 50/50 technique with the center-ball trackball and/or the handle grip mouse is going to be the key in the long term, along with a strong focus on good posture, which is work b/c I tend to slouch back and kick my feet up.
I started PT and it's going great. For anyone in the Boston area who needs PT, I can't recommend Kennedy Bros. PT enough. I've been there on and off for over ten years for myriad injuries and they have always had me back on my feet (or whatever) within a few weeks. They work you VERY hard and MAKE you come back until you're cured (many PT places tell you to do it at home after, say, six weeks, b/c of insurance coverage issues - KBPT will NEVER send you home until your are better and they will NEVER hound you for money; they are GOOD people).
I've put in an order for the foot mouse thing - the one that pivots, not moves b/c lifting and moving the foot arounds seems like asking for trouble (foot RSI). The potential for workflow is amazing - given that both hands would be free to work my MCU while using feet for the mouse. Can't wait to try to use that foot mouse to insert an effect for the first time. I'll probably end up getting frustrated and drop-kicking the thing, but it's worth a shot.
Thanks again.
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/02/01 22:26:32
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+11 on so many points. I developed problems in 1995 when code editing took a quantum leap upward at a new job (supercomputing center, go figure ). Unbearable pain in my right index finger, shooting all the way up my right arm. What helped it: Switching to left-hand mousing. Physical therapy (and chiropractic therapy too). Using as many keyboard shortcuts and macros as humanly possible. Using a trackball, if possible. ( This Logitech that Xavier linked to before. My only wish... that it included a real scroll wheel. The Logi driver can "fake" a scroll function (mode-shift on the trackball) but it's not quite the same for my taste. Otherwise, it's perfect. It's weird... by now, I've been mousing with the left hand longer than I ever moused with the right hand. (Longer in years, and in hours by far.) I was thinking, all else being equal, that I would have started to see problems on my left hand long ago. But knock on wood, there have been no problems whatsoever. On the other hand (ouch, very bad pun), when I still sometimes forget and mouse with my right hand, say, picking up some work on someone else's workstation, the pain comes back in short order to remind me. I wondered if it was just good habits, and it might be, but reading here, it may also be due to the posture improvement from the different centering you get with the left-hand position. Using left-handed mousing with a right-handed mouse... is that sort of like playing upside-down left-handed guitar? 
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RE: Pen tablet support please!
2009/02/02 08:55:51
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ORIGINAL: UnderTow
I wish Sonar would have better pen tablet support. All the (Pro Tools) studios I work at have pen tablets. They are so much faster and don't cause me any RSI.
UnderTow
No reason you can't use a pen tablet with Sonar and you don't need any special support inside of Sonar for it, unlike using one in an app like Photoshop. Remember that there's a whole lot of customization that can be done from within the driver app that comes with the Wacom tablet. I've tried my Wacom tablet in Sonar and it's pretty good, except for the fact that's it's WAY oversized for my work area. I switch between a MS Trackball Explorer and a Kensington Expert Mouse (it's really a big trackball with 4 buttons and a scroll ring) but not in the usual orientation with the unit sloping up away from the user; rather, I have it so the highest part of the unit is toward my wrist. Unfortunately this puts the cord in the way. I do it this way because it's actually more comfortable for me and my wrist that way than the normal way.
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Counting Coup
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Re: RE: Pen tablet support please!
2013/11/10 00:17:43
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Hi all
Very interesting reading as I too am suffering the impact of 30 years of heavy mousing. I use a left hand trackball but that too is starting to cause trouble. A foot switch was mentioned a couple of times. Is this a commercial item or something that has been improvised? I'm in Germany at the moment so will buy Wobenzym and give it a whirl.
Cheers
CC
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Re: RE: Pen tablet support please!
2013/11/10 04:02:24
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Something that I have always refused to use is a wireless mouse. The extra weight with the battery inside requires more force to move it and therefore more strain on the hand and wrist muscles.
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