Raising/Lowering entire automation

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2011/05/16 08:54:02 (permalink)

Raising/Lowering entire automation

Having spent 622 hours automating a track, I find the whole thing needs raising or lowering 'as one' - can that be done?

I know I could play with all the nodes all over again but 'all at once' would really be nice!

(By that I mean, can I raise or lower the entire automation such that all the peaks and dips are retained without modifying all the nodes again one by one)

Thanks - rev
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    lfm
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/16 09:11:52 (permalink)
    There might be such a thing you ask for. I have not dug into S8.5 that much yet.

    But what I remember worked for S4 at elast was to mark all nodes and just drag them(possibly take property and modify by value since it's such a small change you want).

    So modify each node is not necessary.
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/16 09:24:17 (permalink)
    Dragging nodes or modifying their properties is so damn fiddly! I might have to do it several times during the creation of the song or while working on the mix.

    Since posting, I've noticed that Track Volume has in effect on the start value and therefore possibly the whole automation line, I haven't experimented enough yet.

    Thanks
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/16 09:32:35 (permalink)
    Do you want to change Midi track or audio track envelopes?
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/16 09:49:34 (permalink)
    I guess the process I am suggesting is pretty much the same for either a midi or audio track. I don't know how to move all the nodes at once but you can get the same effect by using the Trim control on audio tracks to cut/boost the gain of the audio and the Velocity control (under the input) to cut/boost the velocity of the midi notes. Keep in mind that Increasing the Trim on an audio track may result in clipping if they are already pretty loud (close to 0 db).

    You may also get the same results using Envelope Offset Mode but I've never used it and I only know what is in the Help file, which suggests you can change the envelope this way.
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/16 11:09:04 (permalink)
    You could just turn up the master buss?

    I'm not clear, is it an individual track within a mix that you want to adjust or all the tracks across the mix?

    If it's the former then Offset mode is what you're looking for, if it's the latter just turn up / down the master buss.

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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/16 11:36:39 (permalink)
    Yes, you can select an enitre envelope and drag it up/down.

    Start by un-selecting everything. (Ctrl + Shift + a)
    Now select the track wtih the envelope

    The track should turn black and you'll find the entire envelope is highlighted (nodes turn white). Drag up/down at will.

    Note #1 - LOCK your clips before attempting this
    Note #2 - You might have to go through this rigmarole a couple of time before it works, but it does work - eventually. Once all the nodes have turned white you're ready to drag.

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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/16 12:26:46 (permalink)
    there's more than a couple ways to do this- 

    One is to left click on the track number to "select all in the track"- then your track turns black and you can adjust all the nodes by dragging the envelope up or down- 
    also, hit the "E" key to use the envelope tool- will limit selecting to the envelope issues.
    you'll probably want to "shift" + "drag" which causes the nodes to drag only up or down, won't let them slip side-to-side. 

    Also if you add an effect like an eq or compressor to the track, you can easily turn the overall volume of the track up or down from that.



    and for a region: first select the area you want to adjust- 

    if you want the whole track, in the far left corner of the track you can click the triangle/track number and select the entire track- 

    or lasso a region of the track- 

    or select the part of the track just between any nodes by pressing F9 (now) before the first node and F10 (thru) after the last node of the region... 

    then hover your mouse arrow over the envelope line on the track, and when the toop tip appears, left click and drag the envelope up or down. 

    if you have any nodes at the extremes of the envelope they will of course limit your overall range, change them. 

    It's a little quicker to just add an EQ or Compressor, etc to the track and just add or take some volume for the overall thing that way... 

    it's all very easy once you do it a couple times...
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    ps- you can get about 5 threads answering your ? if you search the forum, maybe using google.




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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/17 00:31:12 (permalink)
    And then there's the easy method no one approves of since it changes the ratios of your send amounts - you grab the trim control on audio tracks and move them up.  --The offset function is designed for this, but time after time I see people messed up and confused from using it, so I tend to think it's best avoided.

    Grabbing all automation envelopes and moving them and down is so tricky - I do it in small amounts, but am never thrilled with the results.  So, I avoid that method also.

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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/17 00:51:05 (permalink)
    Yep. if it was a Digital mixer you had automated the channels for a whole mix and you needed to lower one channel a smidgen, a quick adjustment of the trim would do the trick. But as Randy say's then the whole signal path is altered, worstly the aux sends. It's the one thing I do not enjoy about working with a DAW when going back to re mix.
    An optional solution is to apply a gain change to the track using process. Trouble is I have to do this with Wave lab because for some stupid reason Sonar turns a mono track to stereo when using this feature. Don't forget to "save as" before proceeding. 
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/17 15:42:34 (permalink)
    You could also send the output of the track to a bus, then raise or lower the bus fader.
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/21 09:21:11 (permalink)
    This is a little extreme, but if you are happy with the sound of the track, and the levels you've automated within the track, you can just bounce it down and then adjust the over all level with the fader as needed.  
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    Re:Raising/Lowering entire automation 2011/05/21 17:02:06 (permalink)
    Just an add for the 'iffy aspects..
    Vertical zoom the track out if need be to get finer control for your drag..
     
    But a thing that helped onec I noticed is I'll want to reduce by x3db, but when they are all selected and you brab the automation line to drag you'll see the value as you're moving it is not what is was compared to showing the value for just at the place on the line.
    Drag a bit and release, the value will revert back to that specific ref spot value' you're using for comparison for how much actual change you did.
    After getting past little curve they throw in there it seems pretty accurate and reliable.

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