Rallentando Tempo Map...?

you need the project,  id ask him for a copy of the project, its tiny in size.
unless im mistaken wav files don't carry tempo information in them unless they're acid files, are these acid files ?
you can always go to the marks where the tempo changes and draw in your own tempos, its easy.
place the transport line where the timeline is set on, choose/ project/tempo change/insert new tempo then you can put in a new tempo from the drop out box, fill in the info, you don't even need to go in to a mapping screen.
 
you can also change from 4/4 to 7/8 in this same box. 

in order to see the bpm sonar has to be right on top of it or playing it(the content.)
there is a setting in sonar called import all audio at its original timestamp.
see if this helps.
its in preferences/audio  :)

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It is an interesting tempo problem that has my OCD at an all time high.........!!!!!

Thanks stickman!  I hadn't thought of that.....

I just had an idea when as you were posting this.... I have yet to see if it works....

In the TEMPO MAP view.... I can DRAW a straight line from measure 46 to 48 (with the pencil tool).  I will post back if this works. 

I think Charlie might have mentioned this technique earlier and I just missed it...... 

Easier to do than to describe. I downloaded the file, and aligned it to the timeline using Set Measure/Beat At Now. His clicks in the rallentando part don't really follow the music, so I picked out the beats by ear and eye.

Here's what I came up with, and you can just enter these in your tempo map. Note that the Rallentando starts earlier than he says, and actually ends at 46:04:480 with the next downbeat coming in way early, which is why the tempo jumps to 137+ at the end of the bar.

01:01:000     85.00
45:03:000     74.50
45:04:000     73.08
46:02:000     71.43
46:03:480     66.70
46:04:000    137.59
47:01:000    100.00

The short version is:

- Import the clip, and verify the first beat is at 01:01:000.
- Set tempo to 85, and listen for a few bars with metronome on to verify sync.
- Go out to bar 45, and listen for where it goes out of sync (after 45:03:000)
- Set the Now time at 45:03:000, hit Shift-M, and set the meaure/beat so changes after the point won't average all the way back to the beginning.
- Listen to and the rallentando section, ignoring the out-of-sync clicks in the track, and pick out a few other piano notes with obvious transients in the waveform (I didn't bother to enable Audiosnap, just picked them out by ear and eye) and use Shift-M to set those points (with the Now time on the transient) to the correct measure/beat (note that partial beats are decimal fractions, not ticks).
- Since hte musical hit at 47:01:000 comes in early, you have to set the last preceding musical note at 46:04:000 so that when you set 47:01:000, it doesn't average tempo back to 46:03:480 (beat 3.5) and mess up the end of the rallentando.
- Set the tempo to 100 at 47:01:000, a verify the rest of the piece follows it as advertised.

Wonderful work Brundlefly very envious how you do this.

chuckebaby


you need the project,  id ask him for a copy of the project, its tiny in size.
unless im mistaken wav files don't carry tempo information in them unless they're acid files, are these acid files ?
you can always go to the marks where the tempo changes and draw in your own tempos, its easy.
place the transport line where the timeline is set on, choose/ project/tempo change/insert new tempo then you can put in a new tempo from the drop out box, fill in the info, you don't even need to go in to a mapping screen.
 
you can also change from 4/4 to 7/8 in this same box. 

glad you got it sorted