Rapture - where are you buying from?

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2006/02/18 11:18:18 (permalink)

Rapture - where are you buying from?

I'm a little new to this 'stuff' and don't have a lot of experience with buying synths, plugins, etc, etc. Where are you guys going to be purchasing Rapture from? I'm assuming Cake will have it at the higher price of $250, right?

Additionally, are there any physical store locations I might be able to pick this up? I live in the Dallas, TX area if that helps...

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    lawapa
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/18 19:11:06 (permalink)
    Guitar center? Well any local retailer would do if they carry Cakewalk products. Show an interest in this product and ask about priceing. Once this is released and starts hitting the shelves I have heard the street price might be about $199. But till it's there we can only speculate. I think you said in another post you just needed some synths. P5-2 Has a buch of synths for about that price. You'd get Dimension, Psyn, DS864, and at that price level for what rapture costs. All of these synths are availble in Sonar. Plus all the effects as well. That is quite a deal. A good one at that.
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/18 22:18:02 (permalink)
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    Guitar center? Well any local retailer would do if they carry Cakewalk products. Show an interest in this product and ask about priceing. Once this is released and starts hitting the shelves I have heard the street price might be about $199. But till it's there we can only speculate. I think you said in another post you just needed some synths. P5-2 Has a buch of synths for about that price. You'd get Dimension, Psyn, DS864, and at that price level for what rapture costs. All of these synths are availble in Sonar. Plus all the effects as well. That is quite a deal. A good one at that.


    Baby steps I just got Sonar 4 Home Studio for Christmas from the wife. I feel the ONLY thing holding me back at the moment is the lack of a good synth. Since I lean towards the electronica style of music, I personally feel that Rapture is right up my alley. I do plan on upgrading to Sonar 5 and possibly P5 one day. I would probably opt for Sonar 5 first because I am currently familiar with the format - from what I can tell, Home Studio looks VERY similar.

    My P5 apprehension probably just stems itself from my lack of knowledge on what it can do for me. To be honest, I'm even a little apprehensive about Sonar 5. I am just trying to understand what they can do for me over Home Studio. Again, this is probably due to my lack of knowledge on the products.

    From my current perspective, Sonar HS just seems like a project manager. The real power seems to come from the DXi/VST plugins I am using.

    Please teach me the error of my ways....
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/18 22:39:45 (permalink)
    There is no error. You follow your muse and find your center. This is always a best bet. By the time I got p5 I had quite a few softies in Sonar. I was crusing along safe in the knowledge I had at least the minimum for what I wanted to do. I had a new P4 2.8 gig DAW with S 3 SoundForge for my sample set makin with Awave to manage them even more. Then I went to a Product demo and won the door prise, a copy of P5. I loaded it up and it blew me away. Lots of play toys to add to what I had. And I found most if not all useful. And at the list price It was a bargin. I have upgraded my copy to 2 added Dpro cause I already had Pentagon and z3ta from rgcaudio. I do like Rene's synths. Now he's on staff at Cakewalk and crankin out goodies with a dev team that gets the job done. And every step along this path was a simple fascination with this new thing. It rocks as I came up with hardware. Ya know the DX7 TX7 RX7 QX7 thing. And having all these goodies in the box where I can play and enjoy and save everything up as a single project.
    post edited by lawapa - 2006/02/19 12:32:29
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/18 22:49:29 (permalink)
    I feel the ONLY thing holding me back at the moment is the lack of a good synth.

    Oh, you won't be stopping at one ...

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    But they're all the same price, so it's really a question of S+H and taxes ...

    To think, at one time P5 was a $429 MSRP app.

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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 02:21:16 (permalink)
    awilki01 - S4HS is a cut-down version of Sonar 4. You can get Scott Garrigus' "Sonar 4 Power" book to learn it. Thus, the transition to Sonar 5 from S4HS should not be that much. P5 is a different animal, but from the same continent at least. I'm in the same place as you. S4HS is my first DAW - I'm getting my feet wet - and I'm thinking Rapture will be my first "real" soft synth (S4HSXL, which I have, has a few built-in, including Rene's "Sqaure").
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 05:09:10 (permalink)
    Don't pass up on some very good, top quality free synths out there.

    Green Oak Crystal - this thing is pro quality, and many people have made patch sets for it. Best free synth available, in my opinion. As good as many pay synths.
    Ugo's stuff - good stuff.
    Novakill - not quite as good, but free.

    Plus a lot of others, many free, can also be found HERE. Not to mention, a bazillion effects, many also free. If you're like everyone else, you'll go through a download spree before eventually weeding out the wheat from the chaff.

    In terms of pay synths, geared towards electronica sounds, the current standouts are, in no particular order (and opinions will of course vary):

    z3ta
    vanguard
    rhino
    absynth
    FM7
    Sytrus
    Reactor (if you like rolling your own)
    albino (and the new 'blue')

    and then the more specific / exotic stuff after that ...

    To think, at one time P5 was a $429 MSRP app.

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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 05:38:02 (permalink)
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 08:22:40 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: oroboros

    Don't pass up on some very good, top quality free synths out there.

    Green Oak Crystal - this thing is pro quality, and many people have made patch sets for it. Best free synth available, in my opinion. As good as many pay synths.
    Ugo's stuff - good stuff.
    Novakill - not quite as good, but free.



    Don't forget Synth1. Before I got some higher-end softsynths, my main workhorses were Synth1, Triangle II, and Crystal (all free).
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 12:11:24 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: oroboros

    Don't pass up on some very good, top quality free synths out there.

    Green Oak Crystal - this thing is pro quality, and many people have made patch sets for it. Best free synth available, in my opinion. As good as many pay synths.
    Ugo's stuff - good stuff.
    Novakill - not quite as good, but free.


    I have these already and they are pretty good, but they just sound a little cheesy (to me)....

    You mentioned Absynth and Reaktor. I've thought hard about those too. I need to check out some of the other 'for pay' ones you mention.

    Thanks again!
    post edited by awilki01 - 2006/02/19 12:17:07
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 13:53:32 (permalink)
    z3ta
    vanguard
    rhino
    absynth
    FM7
    Sytrus
    Reactor (if you like rolling your own)
    albino (and the new 'blue')

    To this list I would Add the Moog and Mini Moog
    and the Arturia Arp
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 23:51:07 (permalink)
    Don't forget Synth1. Before I got some higher-end softsynths, my main workhorses were Synth1

    Synth1, I always forget about Synth1 ... and Triangle II, yes.

    I have these already and they are pretty good, but they just sound a little cheesy (to me)....

    If you bypass the effects in many of the z3ta presets, or other expensive pay synths, many of the sounds sound surprisingly underwhelming and plain, too. A lot of what makes good synths sound good these days are the effects applied to the sound (and where it's applied in the stream). The free synths generally don't have these built-in, but with the right effects added to the stream, they can sound very good, it's just more work on your part, and knowing your effect plugins. Just something I've noticed in testing ...

    To think, at one time P5 was a $429 MSRP app.

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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/19 23:55:49 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: oroboros

    If you bypass the effects in many of the z3ta presets, or other expensive pay synths, many of the sounds sound surprisingly underwhelming and plain, too. A lot of what makes good synths sound good these days are the effects applied to the sound (and where it's applied in the stream). The free synths generally don't have these built-in, but with the right effects added to the stream, they can sound very good, it's just more work on your part, and knowing your effect plugins. Just something I've noticed in testing ...


    I can relate to this too. I have CamelSpace and it can do wonders to what was once a lackluster sound.

    Regards,
    Adam
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/20 07:03:10 (permalink)
    I have to put a plug for the Camel audio products too - Cameleon 5000, CamelSpace and CamelPhat (having just won all three). I really don't know why I didn't buy these in the first place. Cameleon 5000 and Linplug's Octopus are filling an ambient void in my clutch of soft-synths. CamelSpace adds 'life' to any (boring) pad, and CamelPhat imparts a real pro quality to sounds that otherwise might be a little thin/flat sounding.

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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/20 10:24:36 (permalink)
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    I have to put a plug for the Camel audio products too - Cameleon 5000, CamelSpace and CamelPhat (having just won all three). I really don't know why I didn't buy these in the first place. Cameleon 5000 and Linplug's Octopus are filling an ambient void in my clutch of soft-synths. CamelSpace adds 'life' to any (boring) pad, and CamelPhat imparts a real pro quality to sounds that otherwise might be a little thin/flat sounding.

    KEv


    Cameleon 5000 is really good - all I have is the demo. I may have to spring for this one day in the future. but I'm hoping Rapture will have some of these nice ambient sounds too. I played with CamelPhat demo some, but I couldn't see what the big deal was. I'll have to play around with it some more. CamelSpace is the way to go....
    post edited by awilki01 - 2006/02/20 10:29:32
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/20 19:04:41 (permalink)
    Isn't there a plethora of online stores you guys buy your software from?
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/22 15:32:31 (permalink)
    Hi Adam,

    As Rick suggested (thanks, Rick!), you might want to check out one of my Sonar Power books. You can go to my site and click on the software you are using and it will tell you which book to get. The book will walk you through all of the features of the software with step-by-step examples and exercises. In addition, depending on which edition you purchase, you'll also get a free CD with 1 hour of video tutorials. Go to my site for more info and a discount: http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp

    Thanks!
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/22 21:29:46 (permalink)
    awilkio1; I have those Power books from Scott G. For Sonar and SoundForge. I highly recommend them. They do help you get up and running a lot faster then just reading the manual. I keep my copies right at the computer where if a hit a snag a quick look at the index has me going in no time. If your just starting out, They make the frustration factor a lot lighter. And if you go through the book and work the exercises. You'll be humming in no time.
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/22 22:54:32 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: elektroniqa

    I have to put a plug for the Camel audio products too - Cameleon 5000, CamelSpace and CamelPhat (having just won all three). I really don't know why I didn't buy these in the first place. Cameleon 5000 and Linplug's Octopus are filling an ambient void in my clutch of soft-synths. CamelSpace adds 'life' to any (boring) pad, and CamelPhat imparts a real pro quality to sounds that otherwise might be a little thin/flat sounding.

    KEv


    I definitely love the Cameleon 5000 (I wrote a book on it in fact), but Rapture is an entirely different monster.

    In either case, I know audioMIDI is taking pre orders for Rapture right now, so they might be your best bet if anybody's on the west coast.

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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/22 22:58:23 (permalink)
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    awilkio1; I have those Power books from Scott G. For Sonar and SoundForge. I highly recommend them. They do help you get up and running a lot faster then just reading the manual. I keep my copies right at the computer where if a hit a snag a quick look at the index has me going in no time. If your just starting out, They make the frustration factor a lot lighter. And if you go through the book and work the exercises. You'll be humming in no time.


    Thanks, but I don't have any issues with Sonar 4 HS XL. I did the tutorials that came with it, and I learned quite a bit. I feel really comfortable with it.

    post edited by awilki01 - 2006/02/22 23:02:44
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/23 05:06:47 (permalink)
    I envy you awilki01. If I didn't have my Sonar 4 Power copy right next to me while I work, I'd be lost. I think some people just have a natural talent for this stuff. But all of this is new to me - setting inputs, outputs, channel parameters, all of the choices - even the Metronome settings take an entire dialog box. Most likely once I figure out S4HSXL, if I were to move to Logic or something it wouldn't be so difficult, since the overall paradigm is similar.
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/23 13:44:10 (permalink)
    AudioMidi.com : http://www.audiomidi.com/Rapture-P7625.aspx

    SamAsh: http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53552

    Also, can't connect to www.ecost.com, but I used them to get DimPro price-matched at $206 there.

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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/23 19:28:39 (permalink)
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    I envy you awilki01. If I didn't have my Sonar 4 Power copy right next to me while I work, I'd be lost. I think some people just have a natural talent for this stuff. But all of this is new to me - setting inputs, outputs, channel parameters, all of the choices - even the Metronome settings take an entire dialog box. Most likely once I figure out S4HSXL, if I were to move to Logic or something it wouldn't be so difficult, since the overall paradigm is similar.


    Its not the program I have difficulty with. It's the music :) hehe



    Thanks Torhan for sharing those links. I would imagine both are pretty reputable sites...
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/23 19:37:58 (permalink)
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/23 20:59:52 (permalink)
    Its not the program I have difficulty with. It's the music :) hehe

    On the surface it seems direct. You record a track and then add another. But once you start delving deeper the help will seem welcome. It won't take long if you stay at it, I wish they had an in depth book for Rapture with exercises. Advanced systhesis using the the rapture gui. I know Brock will tutorial this as I'm sure other will as well. I'm looking forward to it.

    Note: I'm not commiting you to this Brock;Just thought you might do it.
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    RE: Rapture - where are you buying from? 2006/02/23 21:05:02 (permalink)
    Note: I'm not commiting you to this Brock;Just thought you might do it.
    It's a lock.
    So far, the advanced tutorial has the lead over the beginner one on the request lines. More so if you count my own vote.
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