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2015/01/18 18:23:49 (permalink)

ReMatrix conv reverb??

CPU light and sounds great??   Leave the Pantheon at home?

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 18:26:51 (permalink)
I take it you got the upgrade? If so I am very happy for you.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 18:38:20 (permalink)
Wonder how much is will cost to cross-grade to the VST version...

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 18:52:14 (permalink)
Rematrix strikes me as more of a replacement for PerfectSpace than the Lexicon Pantheon. (Both of which I still use, but got no objection to having more options).
 
I suppose along with BREVERB, we now have both an 80s/90s digital reverb and a convolution reverb as prochannel modules, which is nice and handy.
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 18:57:24 (permalink)
Because it was new I tried it on a variety of sounds and it's quite versatile.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 19:02:23 (permalink)
I can already tell the ReMatrix is going to be my new "go to" reverb plugin, it's my totally unexpected favourite new thing about Sonar Platinum. The fact that it's also in the Prochannel, with presets, brilliant.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 19:06:41 (permalink)
I'll confess / proudly declare that my default go-to remains the Sonitus reverb. That's where I start all my sketching out, mix-wise, and I gradually replace it on things as I go along. But it's a rare mix, for me, that doesn't have something going through the Sonitus. I'm increasingly using BREVERB for drum reverb, you can get some really good drum room sounds out of that. And I like Perfect Space for guitars and keyboards. Look forward to messing with rematrix and finding its specialism.
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 19:14:35 (permalink)
The thing I like about it is it doesn't impose a heavy cpu load. I admit though I haveny realy loaded up a project with a ton of instances either, but then with reverb less is more in my opinion.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 19:14:46 (permalink)
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I take it you got the upgrade? If so I am very happy for you.


no...that's why I was asking about ReMatrix.  Seems like a hidden gem in the upgrade.
  Plus I REALLY liked Perfect Space and have a zillion IR, but it was a tad too CPU intensive for me to use it all over the place.  This seems like Perfect's replacement.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 19:24:53 (permalink)
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Because it was new I tried it on a variety of sounds and it's quite versatile.

Hey Mike,  Is ReMatrix a 'true stereo' convolution reverb?
 
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 19:41:39 (permalink)
Looks like it:
http://overloud.com/products/rematrix.php
 
For me I'm looking forward to dumping reflector in NI guitar rig if it's as good...

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 19:54:13 (permalink)
Stereo yep.

I sort of did a shoot out and loaded Sonitus, perfect space, breverb, re matrix and Pantheon.

Subjective of course but the presets for re matrix are usable out of the box and it has the lowest cpu load next to Sonitus but I prefer a convolution reverb. I haven't tried a waves reverb yet as I've only recently acquired them. Also have to try the offerings from Melda, Softube, oZone.

It was also an opportunity to setup different mixes with the new Mix Recall feature and do quick ABCDEF comparisons. Absolutely brilliant new feature.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 20:00:52 (permalink)
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I take it you got the upgrade? If so I am very happy for you.


no...that's why I was asking about ReMatrix.  Seems like a hidden gem in the upgrade.
  Plus I REALLY liked Perfect Space and have a zillion IR, but it was a tad too CPU intensive for me to use it all over the place.  This seems like Perfect's replacement.


I only tried it in one track and really have no true facts to give you but you are 100 % right in that it is way cool. 
 
Keep in mind it is a PC module only which I like. Some may want a VST full version. It can use user irs so your collection can be used. I too have a huge collection and plan to use them in it. However I also have the Melda convolution reverb  and I like it. ReMatrix seems to be low in CPU usage but I can't swear to that. 

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 20:22:49 (permalink)
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Looks like it:
http://overloud.com/products/rematrix.php
 
For me I'm looking forward to dumping reflector in NI guitar rig if it's as good...


Thanks Alex.  Hadn't seen that video.




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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 20:33:18 (permalink)
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Stereo yep.

I sort of did a shoot out and loaded Sonitus, perfect space, breverb, re matrix and Pantheon.

Subjective of course but the presets for re matrix are usable out of the box and it has the lowest cpu load next to Sonitus but I prefer a convolution reverb. I haven't tried a waves reverb yet as I've only recently acquired them. Also have to try the offerings from Melda, Softube, oZone.

It was also an opportunity to setup different mixes with the new Mix Recall feature and do quick ABCDEF comparisons. Absolutely brilliant new feature.

Doesn't say 'True Stereo' anywhere that I can see. My understanding of 'True Stereo' convolution reverbs is that they can load two stereo IR's.  One for the left and one for the right.  Perfect Space is not True Stereo.  Pristine Space from Voxengo is supposed to be a 'True Stereo' convolution.  Honestly, I'm not sure I could tell the difference but I wanted to ask.
 
Sonar 2015 comes with "ReMatrix Solo" which is a different animal that ReMatrix.  The full ReMatrix looks pretty darn neat!  Five layers of IR's and so much more!  However, just listening to the Solo version video, it sounds pretty sweet as well.
 
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 23:24:43 (permalink)
That's the thing that impressed me; how "stereo" it was. I agree this is the hidden gem of Platinum.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 23:35:48 (permalink)
Searched all over the web page and watched the video.. It does not seem to have true stereo.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/18 23:38:59 (permalink)
If you are upgrading from X3 to "NEW Sonar", don't forget to try out Perfect Space's IR with Rematrix Solo. I don't have my DAW with me at the moment but the IR should be in Program Files(x86)>Cakewalk>VSTplugin>Perfect Space.
 
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 00:30:21 (permalink)
What i found not handy is the point of use own IR's. It would be nice if it was allowed to create user folders or better the import or link of user folders.

It is just a little part of our IR's on the Screen. Not nice at all if you have sorted folders.
 

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 01:22:35 (permalink)
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Rematrix strikes me as more of a replacement for PerfectSpace than the Lexicon Pantheon. (Both of which I still use, but got no objection to having more options).
 
I suppose along with BREVERB, we now have both an 80s/90s digital reverb and a convolution reverb as prochannel modules, which is nice and handy.


Sonitus is also the one i use most but i am already liking rematrix.  
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 01:59:45 (permalink)
I'm really enjoying ReMatrix too. I wasn't that excited about it when I read it on the list of features but now that I've played with it today I think it's a fine addition to the ProChannel. Now I really need to concentrate on building a collection of impulses. The ones it comes with are fantastic though. My only complaint is that there seems to be no keyboard modifier to fine tune the knobs - the predelay time moves in increments of 1.2ms for example, it would be nice to be able to either fine tune that or double click on the value to type a new value. And if I'm being really picky I would love to be able to sync the predelay time to the host tempo. But hey, how many reverbs let you do that? Anyway I think I'll be using this a LOT. 

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 04:38:14 (permalink)
Since I already own the full version of reMATRIX I'm curious on what (if any) the differences are between this and the solo-version found in Platinum.
 
And also.. if there are differences (which I'm assuming), will these differences remain between the pc-module and the VST-version for us who have both, or will the PC-module then be "updated" to full strength?

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 04:55:25 (permalink)
The ProChannel version is definitely lighter than the full VST version. Who ever owns ReMatrix reverb would have to get the ProChannel SKU and write the full version for that platform as they have with a light version.

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 05:42:08 (permalink)
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The ProChannel version is definitely lighter than the full VST version. Who ever owns ReMatrix reverb would have to get the ProChannel SKU and write the full version for that platform as they have with a light version.




Alright. Is this how it works with BREVERB2 as well?  Since Cakewalk often have had offers to upgrade BREVERB2 to the full version (which I never did) I thought this upgrade would also affect the PC-module.
 
On the other hand, BREVERB2 was(is) available both as PC-module and VST. Maybe this isn't the case with REmatrix?

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 05:47:01 (permalink)
I'm not aware that the full version of Breverb is available as a PC module. Can anyone confirm that.

I know the full version is a VST..

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 06:03:31 (permalink)
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Alright. Is this how it works with BREVERB2 as well?  Since Cakewalk often have had offers to upgrade BREVERB2 to the full version (which I never did) I thought this upgrade would also affect the PC-module.
 

That's a fair assumption, and by that I mean, that's what I had thought

 
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 06:14:17 (permalink)
Has anyone tried to use Rematrix solo as a guitar cab ir loader behind an amp sim?

Also, if you click on Rematrix Solo logo in the pc module, you get a link to the Cakewalk store to upgrade to the full version of Rematrix but there is nothing in the Cakewalk store yet...
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 06:22:27 (permalink)
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I'm not aware that the full version of Breverb is available as a PC module. Can anyone confirm that.
I know the full version is a VST..

 
I'm not saying this is how I think it is, just to be clear.
But having the effect as a PC is a huge benefit for most people. If upgrading to full BREVERB2 would make the VST-version better than the PC-version, then what's the point of having it as a PC-module at all? I wouldn't want to use a PC-module if I knew I had the same effect (but with more power) as a VST. Maybe that's just me though.
 
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Alright. Is this how it works with BREVERB2 as well? Since Cakewalk often have had offers to upgrade BREVERB2 to the full version (which I never did) I thought this upgrade would also affect the PC-module.

That's a fair assumption, and by that I mean, that's what I had thought

 
Yeah.. Would be nice to get the actual facts on this.. :)
 
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Has anyone tried to use Rematrix solo as a guitar cab ir loader behind an amp sim?
Also, if you click on Rematrix Solo logo in the pc module, you get a link to the Cakewalk store to upgrade to the full version or Rematrix but there is nothing in the Cakewalk store yet...

 
Alright.. Tha's nice! Still.. Will this upgrade the PC-module or not..? :)

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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 06:54:12 (permalink)
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Yeah.. Would be nice to get the actual facts on this.. :)
 

 
Getting hooked and upgrading, to then lose out on the function (Prochannel) that got you hooked in the first place would be kind of annoying.

 
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Re: ReMatrix conv reverb?? 2015/01/19 08:41:33 (permalink)
 
 
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Stereo yep.

I sort of did a shoot out and loaded Sonitus, perfect space, breverb, re matrix and Pantheon.

Subjective of course but the presets for re matrix are usable out of the box and it has the lowest cpu load next to Sonitus but I prefer a convolution reverb. I haven't tried a waves reverb yet as I've only recently acquired them. Also have to try the offerings from Melda, Softube, oZone.

It was also an opportunity to setup different mixes with the new Mix Recall feature and do quick ABCDEF comparisons. Absolutely brilliant new feature.

Doesn't say 'True Stereo' anywhere that I can see. My understanding of 'True Stereo' convolution reverbs is that they can load two stereo IR's.  One for the left and one for the right.  Perfect Space is not True Stereo.  Pristine Space from Voxengo is supposed to be a 'True Stereo' convolution.  Honestly, I'm not sure I could tell the difference but I wanted to ask.
 
Sonar 2015 comes with "ReMatrix Solo" which is a different animal that ReMatrix.  The full ReMatrix looks pretty darn neat!  Five layers of IR's and so much more!  However, just listening to the Solo version video, it sounds pretty sweet as well.
 
Thanks guys.
 
Paul




It's actually even deeper than that. A true stereo processor does not sum the left and right channels when processing. The left and right signals are processed completely independently as well as having independent left and right IR's. This allows you to actually place a sound within a space very precisely.
 
Regards,
Dan
 

Mixing is all about control.
 
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