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I'm not even sure I'm following the problem exactly but try selecting the clip and then right click select "Associated Audio Files" then "Recompute Pictures".

Not sure I can help with the second problem.

Ok, so the wave is very loud, so I imagine the meters show it at least at -12 or more?


In the beginning of the track, there is a little divider between the effects bin and the area where clips are. 

If you hover over that barrier/border, your cursor turns into a little wave icon looking thing. While the cursor looks like that, drag up to make view of wave bigger and move down to make it smaller. OR DOUBLE CLICK IT TO SET IT BACK TO DEFAULT, WHICH IT MAY NOT BE RIGHT NOW.

You may have somehow made that option above really small for the view of the wave. By default it is a reasonable size.

Or, try right clicking the clip and select bounce to clip. Something just may be weird with the picture of the clip.

Lance

It is very, very difficult to get picture of the actual problem here jjaran12. It seems you haven't studied the program enough yet to be able to ask specific questions, and give us the info we need in order to answer you. You haven't even told us if you're dealing with audio or MIDI, and how you are recording.

It's not clear to me, whether the problem is a low waveform (too low recording level), or that you can not enlarge the waveform view for editing. Also it's not clear to me whether you add the gain in soundcard, as you mention, during recording or playback. You say you add gain in soundcard monitor. Raising the monitoring level (direct monitoring?? What soundcard?) does not effect the recording level.

SONAR has got nothing to do with the audio recording level. It is set in your soundcard, not SONAR.
Also, even a very quiet track (flattish waveform) can be made sound loud by simply turning the volume knob up. However, that does not make the low recording level any higher. What you hear  has got nothing to do with the actual level of the project. It's the master bus level meter that tells you the final loudness of your project.

You need to calm down, get focused, be patient, study the manual. There's a learning curve, and it gets steeper if you blow a fuse so badly that no one is willing to help you.

All of you are correct on ALL your points concerning me. When I post in the evening I don't stay on waiting for a possible reply. Obviously, I wanted to have anyone feel my consternation over this and warn any prospective buyers. No Sonar tech support is not good. I probably would not be posting if the actual support would be timely. I should not have to be a tech wizard to operate the software. Since 2000 I had used Cool Edit Pro until 3 yrs ago when I quit for the time to travel in my Vanagon. I just bought all this recently because my old 486 crashed permanently. Since I bought a special VSTi I needed a sequencer type software. Cool Edit worked flawlessly and I never had to ask tech about anything as I started learning from scratch and ultimately self mastered 8 CD's with it. But now, this. Digigram Lola 280 sound card. I'll try to understand your input. And what is the rejected download of X1c about?

Indeed. Also, expecting the jump from CoolEdit on a 486 (what are we talking there, '94, '95 or something?) to a modern sequencer on a new computer to have no learning curve is frankly bizarre.

jjaran12


All of you are correct on ALL your points concerning me. When I post in the evening I don't stay on waiting for a possible reply. Obviously, I wanted to have anyone feel my consternation over this and warn any prospective buyers. No Sonar tech support is not good. I probably would not be posting if the actual support would be timely. I should not have to be a tech wizard to operate the software. Since 2000 I had used Cool Edit Pro until 3 yrs ago when I quit for the time to travel in my Vanagon. I just bought all this recently because my old 486 crashed permanently. Since I bought a special VSTi I needed a sequencer type software. Cool Edit worked flawlessly and I never had to ask tech about anything as I started learning from scratch and ultimately self mastered 8 CD's with it. But now, this. Digigram Lola 280 sound card. I'll try to understand your input. And what is the rejected download of X1c about?

Warning other users  - seriously?? You would be doing them a disservice. I've flowed with the technology from 2-track tape, etc through 16 track tape with smpte triggering a Atari for midi. Migrated to Logic audio (I used cool edit a bit) and on to Sonar since 2004. I have never assumed that it was going to go smooth without learning both the equipment and the software(s). 


My advice would be grab a cup of coffee and start reading the manual and following the tutorials. You will probably learn about all you need to get the basics of Sonar versus Cool Edit Pro can do in a couple of hours. At least to the record/play/edit level. Not long when you consider how many hours you will save. Also, check in on the forum - we like to help and you will probably be someone that helps others as well. There are also several videos free to watch on youtube when you like. Information is everywhere for these types of softwares. 


The premise I have for me personally is programs like X1 and their competitors offer a vast amount of tools and approaches for us to get the best music out we are capable of - so I want to gradually learn about all of that over time to get the most bang for my buck and more importantly, get the best production that I can get. I didn't try to take everything on at once, but I did get up to speed quick for the basics in no time at all by taking the time to read and explore the software a bit before tackling a serious project.

John T


Indeed. Also, expecting the jump from CoolEdit on a 486 (what are we talking there, '94, '95 or something?) to a modern sequencer on a new computer to have no learning curve is frankly bizarre.

you know what john?..im starting to figure you out man..your a good guy.
my first impression was null,but im starting to like you, your points are more and more as of late.

I doubt that the $700 Digigram Lola 280 sound card is a dinosaur. The ASIO driver is 32 bit at this time and will have 64 bit by July) It better not be lousy but what would I know. 700 looks pretty top notch to me. My 486 was win 98 with a Hoontek 24/96 2x2 card and it worked perfect.

Right there is a problem.  In a 64 bit OS you need to have all your hardware drivers 64 bit too.  It simply wont work with 32 bit drivers.

I thought that maybe upgrade a b c might include a fix but I am stymied on that now. Ultimately, I don't know what to say except that the error box said the file could not be read by my system and that I should check to see if I have 32 or 64 bit OS and call the vendor. (something like that)

No this is not a bug or a problem it is user error. In order to have anything work one has to know something about the hardware and the software in use.  Going back to the first issue your audio interface is not meant to work in a 64 bit OS. In the future drivers will be made for it you say but right now you don't have them.

Get an audio interface that will work now with Window 7 64 bit or install the 32 bit version of Windows 7.

Really you have no other options. I'm being harsh with you because you have shown very poor behavior here on this forum. Your problems are due entirely to your ignorance of the OS you have chosen and the hardware you want to work with it.

We have helped people with as little knowledge as you but because they came here with no chip on their shoulder it was our pleasure to be helpful. We can be very encouraging and patient. The poster asking for answers has to understand that we do this on our own time and from our hard learned knowledge. I'm not asking you to be "hat in hand" when asking a question but just have a little respect for the forum and the people on it. One thing is for sure bashing the very reason for this forum i.e. X1 is not a way to win friends and influence people. 



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If this OP was in my vicinity, I would give him $100 if I could not solve EVERY problem he could actually express legitimately, within an hour, 2 max. lol... 

That being, said, why have I never EVER heard of Digigram in over 10 years of computer based recording? 

I mean, am I trippin?

Lance

Lanceindastudio


If this OP was in my vicinity, I would give him $100 if I could not solve EVERY problem he could actually express legitimately, within an hour, 2 max. lol... 

That being, said, why have I never EVER heard of Digigram in over 10 years of computer based recording? 

I mean, am I trippin?

Lance

no lance, ive never heard of it either and i like to think i know my way around the popular soundcards of today,tommorow and legacy one as well.
your not alone.

bapu

Lanceindastudio

That being, said, why have I never EVER heard of Digigram in over 10 years of computer based recording?

To be fair it is sold at FloridaMusicCo.com

I was gonna say, because it's for "Professional audio recording", but your answer is good too.



@Lance: J/K man.

chuckebaby

Lanceindastudio


If this OP was in my vicinity, I would give him $100 if I could not solve EVERY problem he could actually express legitimately, within an hour, 2 max. lol... 

That being, said, why have I never EVER heard of Digigram in over 10 years of computer based recording? 

I mean, am I trippin?

Lance

no lance, ive never heard of it either and i like to think i know my way around the popular soundcards of today,tommorow and legacy one as well.
your not alone.

I looked it up and certainly has a high price tag. But I'm in the same boat - never heard of it. I think John nailed it - it needs 64bit drivers.

I appreciate all of your input. First I did not want to make a mistake on equipment though ,of course, I chose it myself after what I thought was considerable research. I wanted this small footprint mini tower that had the one PCIe slot and came across only the Digigram. I did see that they talked about courtroom use etc. but thought that was a particular selling point and that it would be good for music too. Why not? I looked at the compatibility page for Win 7 64 bit and it said the ASIO was OK but 32 bit. I was confused and contacted them. Until reading John's reply do I see that it needs to be 64 bit (to work better?). It must be working now but in a limited way ? 32bit vs. 64 bit? I also found out today after contacting a production company in Tuscon that the Lola is for 'courtroom/ Industrial use and not music recording but that does not mean it can't he said. So, I give up for now. I thought of another possibility today. I have the Amps in the KORG set at max 127 but the amp EG page graph with moveable nodes set at nearly the bottom of the screen at low 'levels' and the time flow lengthened so the sound comes in quiet and gradually. I hate to think I would have to raise the levels to get enough signal out. I already raised the sound levels in the 'program' so the card meters would move up better. Doing all this has my technique negated somewhat. I guess after recording I could apply fade in to achieve a gradual amplitude increase. I sure hope the 64 bit ASIO they will have available in July will save me considering the cost of it. I see that I can't delete my posts. Why? I should. None of this has relevance to anyone. Except abject ignorance and we all see too much of that. At 67 I think I recognize a waning of cognitive ability.

jjaran12


I appreciate all of your input. First I did not want to make a mistake on equipment though ,of course, I chose it myself after what I thought was considerable research. I wanted this small footprint mini tower that had the one PCIe slot and came across only the Digigram. I did see that they talked about courtroom use etc. but thought that was a particular selling point and that it would be good for music too. Why not? I looked at the compatibility page for Win 7 64 bit and it said the ASIO was OK but 32 bit. I was confused and contacted them. Until reading John's reply do I see that it needs to be 64 bit (to work better?). It must be working now but in a limited way ? 32bit vs. 64 bit? I also found out today after contacting a production company in Tuscon that the Lola is for 'courtroom/ Industrial use and not music recording but that does not mean it can't he said. So, I give up for now. I thought of another possibility today. I have the Amps in the KORG set at max 127 but the amp EG page graph with moveable nodes set at nearly the bottom of the screen at low 'levels' and the time flow lengthened so the sound comes in quiet and gradually. I hate to think I would have to raise the levels to get enough signal out. I already raised the sound levels in the 'program' so the card meters would move up better. Doing all this has my technique negated somewhat. I guess after recording I could apply fade in to achieve a gradual amplitude increase. I sure hope the 64 bit ASIO they will have available in July will save me considering the cost of it. I see that I can't delete my posts. Why? I should. None of this has relevance to anyone. Except abject ignorance and we all see too much of that. At 67 I think I recognize a waning of cognitive ability.

Jjaran12 32 bit drivers will not work in a 64 bit OS. However I see that your card has 64 bit WDM drivers. That must be how it is working on your system. ASIO is only one of many drivers models that are used with DAWs. It is not a requirement unless you run Cubase.

In order to figure out what is going on on your system I need for you to list in order what you have done in steps. Steps I can follow and then we can see what the problems are.

Your over all system is as far as I can tell is very good for running X1.

Look in the Preferences audio drivers and list what is active in X1.  You will find this under the Edit menu.

Than please list what exactly are the issues you are having. With all that we will be able to set things up correctly.

I also recommend you use Firefox 5 for interacting with this forum. The later versions are unable to format text for this forum.

Hoping to hear from you soon.

Cactus Music


Didn't you read my post at all.. There are 64 bit drivers,, now.. Go look at the support page.

I saw 32 bit ASIO and 64 bit WDM drivers only, if you are talking to me.


From the web site.
LoLa range
Version >= V01.03 g
WDM DirectSound OK OK: 32-bit & 64-bit API
ASIO OK OK: 32-bit ASIO
WASAPI OK OK: 32-bit & 64-bit API

Here it the PDF.