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2014/04/02 14:24:56 (permalink)

ReVavler III

NOW $29.99!!!

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 14:31:46 (permalink)
    I think they mis-placed a number of boxes of Revalver and each time they find one, they sell it.
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 14:33:51 (permalink)
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    I think they mis-placed a number of boxes of Revalver and each time they find one, they sell it.




    I believe that 4 is eminent...and they are offloading III...but what do I know...


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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 14:37:31 (permalink)
    They've beta tested it long enough. Must be launching it with ST3.

    The great great great grand kids will love it.
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 15:53:37 (permalink)
    Interesting the link now shows:
    Sample Logic FANFARE Marching and Cinematic Brass Sample Library/Virtual Instrument/Boxed  

    Purrrfect Audio DAW here.  Wow!...
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 16:00:35 (permalink)
    rtucker55
    Interesting the link now shows:Sample Logic FANFARE Marching and Cinematic Brass Sample Library/Virtual Instrument/Boxed  


    Yes it does. But look below the picture and see "Related Items" and you will see Revalver and other stuff on sale.

    I picked it up for $29! Not a bad deal. Thanks Larry!!

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 16:07:24 (permalink)
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    Interesting the link now shows:Sample Logic FANFARE Marching and Cinematic Brass Sample Library/Virtual Instrument/Boxed  


    Yes it does. But look below the picture and see "Related Items" and you will see Revalver and other stuff on sale.

    I picked it up for $29! Not a bad deal. Thanks Larry!!



    With the gazillion choices in Amplitube 3, I wasn't sure if Revalver would get much attention..... 

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 16:09:21 (permalink)
    Yeah, I see that but I already have ReValver mkIII.5. I don't have the Sample Logic FANFARE Marching and Cinematic Brass Sample Library though... 
     
    Thanks Larry ole pal!

    Purrrfect Audio DAW here.  Wow!...
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 16:34:55 (permalink)
    Mesh

    With the gazillion choices in Amplitube 3, I wasn't sure if Revalver would get much attention..... 


    And I got AT3, TH2, GR5, Head Case, LePou's free stuff, Red Wirez, Recabinet, and lots if other stuff. I even have an amp sim from Nomad Factory.

    I grew up playing in bands that our main equipment was PV. And what I really remember was a PV 4x10 Classic that had a clean sound out of this world!

    The $29 was worth it just to see if the sim is anything like I remember.

    Then I'll have most of all the major players. What more could I need? Right?

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 17:41:30 (permalink)
    My bad...fixed...


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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 18:21:17 (permalink)
    Double wow...SL Fanfare for $29 semolians!!

    Done!

    Thanks Larry!!!!

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 19:23:16 (permalink)
    Thanks Larry and for all your other updates,
     
    Maybe getting warped thru time, but passed this one. Hell of a good deal Ol Pal. Somebody kick me if I done missed the boat and should get with the program.
     
    Got some good effects and razor heavy metal clipping for sure, but kinda in the same boat with Grem.  Scuffham, Amp 3, GR5, Headcase, Amplion, P&M suite, Kuassa, Haggis, all the freeware stuff out there and other pro rigs I forgot I got installed. What the fork else could I need (asking self) if I can't do anything useful with what I already done got.
     
    Beyond an excellent price and good warez cracks available to protect personal investment, can't find anything missing. Outside the crisp treble response on the square wave, does Revalver fill any hard on, die for niche anywhere?
     
    Clueless in Oregon...
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 19:45:11 (permalink)
    I've got the real deal on that PV Classic Grem; it's a 50w Classic 410. It sounds sweet in clean or OD when cracked up. Takes pedals really well and plays nice with the guitars volume knob. Revalver HD has a Classic 30 model, which is basically the C50 minus two power tubes. The Classic 30 amp sim in Revalver HD is pretty darned close to the real deal.

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 20:00:15 (permalink)
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    I've got the real deal on that PV Classic Grem; it's a 50w Classic 410. It sounds sweet in clean or OD when cracked up. Takes pedals really well and plays nice with the guitars volume knob. Revalver HD has a Classic 30 model, which is basically the C50 minus two power tubes. The Classic 30 amp sim in Revalver HD is pretty darned close to the real deal.



    That's the one!! Should have bought that thing back then!! I just had no idea back then. Dig this , I ended up getting a Sunn Beta Lead! Kept blowing the speakers. Had to put JBL K-series in it.
     
    Anyway, will be goog to try the Revalver version.
     
    Keep that one MakeShift, that's a good one!

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 20:04:16 (permalink)
    The only MAJOR advantage to getting this is the cheaper upgrade to IV when it come out...




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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 20:51:49 (permalink)
    Crap...
     
    Might have to go in debt 30 big ones after all. Can't get anything but artificial hi treble square wave clipping in terms of overdrive, but the stereo chorus is actually stereo and a few other good stomp effects... Saw this same concern in multiple reviews, so not entirely losing my mind. Hi gain shrill metallic shred fuzz abounds, but lacks in subtle attempts to back off the square wave and get real life response with gentle overdrive. That said, a steal for balls to the wall raging metal masters.
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/02 23:31:37 (permalink)
    cclarry
    The only MAJOR advantage to getting this is the cheaper upgrade to IV when it come out...






    Well I don't know Larry. I would also say that besides that real benefit you mention, I also look at it as I have a lot of software that I didn't pay full price for none of it!! And that's good!!

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/03 11:26:08 (permalink)
    Revalver 4 is in the pipeline.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ7QIpQ_0mw
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/03 22:56:39 (permalink)
    Bit the bullet if only to get a good upgrade path to ver 4, and there are some pro effects overshaddowing the treble blasting square wave assault. Good stuff from mump's link looking forward. The AIR manipulations promise potential. Noted that version 3 has a couple good and end point creative noise gates that are a bit hidden from the traditional front GUI view. Valuable as a tool dealing with compressed chains.. Well worth the 30 bucks. They still got boxes to send out as of 4/3/14 earth time.
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/03 23:28:42 (permalink)
    JohnKenn
    Bit the bullet if only to get a good upgrade path to ver 4, and there are some pro effects overshaddowing the treble blasting square wave assault. Good stuff from mump's link looking forward. The AIR manipulations promise potential. Noted that version 3 has a couple good and end point creative noise gates that are a bit hidden from the traditional front GUI view. Valuable as a tool dealing with compressed chains.. 
     
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    You may have to explain this to me a little further John. I would be interested in this. I never used compression on the input stage of my guitar amp very much at all until you started talking about it on another forum. And since then I have learned to use it in a manner that I have come to like.
     
    Case in point, my VS-100 has a comp on the input of the high-z. Used sparingly I can tame the peaks and subtly bring up the very quiet picking that I have come to like!!
     
    Amplitube 3 has a Tube Compressor that I really love to use.
     
    So I would be interested to see what your talking about here.

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/04 10:07:15 (permalink)
    Grem,
     
    Saw your post. When they let me loose work mode would be glad to share some deep dark secrets about the glories of using upstream compression.
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 03:10:46 (permalink)

    Friends,
     
    Got to break this into parts, but promised Lord Shiva to share trade secrets of upstream compression.
     
    Always use compression first as an effect and have to deal with the problems and compromises inflicted by this approach, which is diametric opposite of modern digital layout. Life in the fast lane today generally has compression last. Individual layout likely an artifact of when you imprinted your habits. Before digital, was a bit hard to plug your floor box comp after the speaker output. If you used a comp, it was first out of technical necessity.
     
    Did hardware back in the days of the venerable Gray Ross. Still got one of these things retired behind a glass case and worth about a thousand dollars now. Has a cult following and not hard to understand why.
     
    There’s the option of doing a hardware pedal before going into your preamp.
     
    I got 3 hardware floor boxes currently. Well selected IMHO.
     
    If you ain’t got a Gray Ross, there are several clones that have improved tolerances and quality of the components. For about $250, best contender out there with some extra knobs is the Keeley 4 knob compressor. Some random links for these:
     
    https://robertkeeley.com/products/compressor/4-knob-compressor/
     
    Ross beat out the MXR unit of the time, but MXR recently came out with their Custom Comp. Has a couple faders inside the case that can be adjusted to a specific guitar. Too bad these aren’t on the front as knobs. Very low chugging effect as the circuit kicks in. Wipes out the classic MXR.
     
    http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/mxr-custom-shop-csp202-custom-comp-compressor-guitar-effects-pedal
     
    Then a cheap comp everybody who is cool loves to hate, the Boss CS-3. Chugging response and considered noisy, but the coloration is excellent:
     
    http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=148
     
    These things bring the celestial bells of Allah to a guitar if used right, but noise is a curse, especially if you are playing live. How to deal with the noise, major issue. Got some more thoughts.
     
    Anyone with a recommendation of a floor box compressor that can do better than these, please comment. Worth to me a 120 mile pilgrimage to Guitar Center to check out your advice.
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 08:33:48 (permalink)
    I have this one...it does ok...

    http://www.guitarcenter.c...;kwid=productads-plaid^43607301884-sku^101822963@ADL4GC-adType^PLA-device^c-adid^27124301682




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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 12:17:59 (permalink)
    Larry,
     
    Might have to do the drive. I chose the Ross over the MXR at the time but noted they claim improvements over their classic version and the addition of an attack control. Any idea if this is a significant upgrade over the Dynacomp? The upgrade they did on the Custom Comp resulted in a major improvement.
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 17:00:05 (permalink)
    I'm quite happy with mine...and all of the reviews are pretty outstanding.
    I think it's far better then they Dyna Comp...but that's just me...

    It seems to do the job quite well IMO...I've had it for a while and use it every live gig...

    The convertible knobs are a nice touch...but I don't give a **** about knobs...
    it's the sound I care about...


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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 17:24:25 (permalink)
    Larry,
     
    Thanks for the reference. Will definitely be trying this out.
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 17:34:25 (permalink)
     
    Some more subjective compressor trivia...
     
    The curse of compression is noise as the input signal fades. There are subtle differences in the type of noise you have to struggle against if a comp is used first or last in a chain. IMHO comp at the end lets more garbage from the chain through even if this is the modern default approach. Comp on the front end just has to deal with the pickup and whatever fields are being picked up in the background. If you can clean up and sustain the sound up front, the output will be a lot cleaner.
     
    Here's where art, experimentation is needed. One can work out a good compromise in a stable studio environment, but live work in different hum/inductance environments makes it harder to get some magic formula. Playing live, turn at a different angle against the lights or speaker, move a few feet away and everything is a mess.
     
    I've found if only for me, in a stable studio, placing a noise gate after the comp and before anything else downstream works about the best. There are free gates. One link to some of them:
     
    http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2012/01/17/bpb-freeware-studio-best-free-noise-gate-vstau-plugins/
     
    I mostly use Nomad's Liquid Gate if there is not an adequate gate in a suite (Amp 3, Guitar Rig, Headcase, etc)
     
    http://www.nomadfactory.com/products/liquid_II/
     
    The gates in the major commercial suites are good. The gates in Headcase and it seems Revalver can be played almost like an attack filter allowing some really good semblances of hi volume tube amp response. Revalver has sch-1b but it is "The Gatekeeper" that has the swell characteristic. Actually glad I went with the $29 special.
     
    I've got these nice floor stomps but rarely use them even live. My live setup anymore is a bastardized mexican strat going into a Presonus USB 2 box and a laptop. My American strat is mothballed away downstairs somewhere because it don't compare with the mexi monster. Laptop goes into...(don't laugh...)... a right and left stack of two Fender 212r's on either side for 400 watts stereo.
     
    Internal vst comp into a noise gate into whatever else in the rampage.
     
    Choice is out there vst of doing a multi band comp or a single band comp. I found that using a single band comp followed by a parametric eq is far easier to handle and defines what gets fed into the fuzz box.
     
    If the comp is pressed to max compression, there may still be a makeup issue, so IF this is a factor, a good clean preamp may be needed to up the comp signal enough to drive a distortion unit.
     
    Means in the most complex scenario using only vst's...
     
    Compressor or limiter > noise gate > parametric eq > transparent preamp if needed. Then into the overdrive or effect of choice.
     
    Probably common knowledge that if an overdrive clipping unit of any kind is involved, the noise will be harder to tame versus getting the pre processed comp signal fed into a simple flanger or the like.
     
    Got to get the beer out of the freezer before the bottles explode again but have a couple favorite units anyone interested can try. Also some new radical technology or maybe new application of old technology that may be a holy grail of noise reduction if it works as good as advertised.
     
    Best,
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 18:53:41 (permalink)
    Has anyone ever tried building your own effects?
     
    Check out Build Your Own Clone. These effects are based on the Ross and other sought after effects.
     
     http://buildyourownclone.com/
     
     

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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 22:09:56 (permalink)
    Yeah, good point Mosvalve,
     
    Can't code anything too complex here, so at the mercy of the programmer geeks in that realm, like 99.999% of us. If we can't get proficient as C++ gurus, can strive for hands on abilities to compensate for the receding island we have some control over.
     
    Of the opinion that every guitar banger needs to have at least soldering and assembly skills together, and a vegetable level understanding of passive circuits, magnet field basics so you can fix or modify your axe. There kits are a good way to develop some of the tech skills.
     
    This is a win over dumping a hundred dollars on a box someone else wired because we are forced to progress in our own technical skills and have a useful end product after a few burned fingers and overshoot pools of solder. We grow in Grace by struggling against the elements and are better off for it.
     
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    Re: ReVavler III 2014/04/05 22:34:51 (permalink)
    I think it's important to have a clue of how things work. I'm assuming most guitar players know how to change their strings and tune their guitar setup and intonate, install pickups and do mods on their guitars. Why not know a little of the electronic workings of stomp effects? I've built a couple of effects from BYOC and it's fun. These kits have step by step instructions so it's easy and you gain a little knowledge. It might even save you a few bucks.
    Here are the two I built.
     

     

     
    post edited by Mosvalve - 2014/04/05 22:49:00

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