Chincho
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Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
hallooo every body... I have a quiestion. Since i began recording and mixing/mastering stracks, I noticed that my mixdowns have a lower volume than other tracks i compare with. I try every time to get the highest volume possible withouth distortion, but it's still not enough. I want to know if there is some effects i can use to gain the maximum volume possible on my mixdowns withouth distorion. and wich of those options you give me (i hope) is the best to apply. I'm using Sonar 5. I now. I have a mixer, connected to my pc, and a B1 Condencer mic. Thanx in advance, for the help.. ps: I'm not english speaking. forgive me for the bad autography, gramatica, word spelling etc etc. 
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/28 22:18:46
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Halloo back to you... This is a very common question and thread in these forums. You need to learn about "mastering." There are many good sources but start with the "mastering guide" in PDF format, available free a http://www.izotope.com This will explain why your volume is low, what to do about it (you need a mastering plug-in) and so forth. Good luck. Your English is quite good... much better than any second language I might dabble in. Kirk
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/28 22:24:18
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ORIGINAL: Chincho
hallooo every body...
I have a quiestion.
Since i began recording and mixing/mastering stracks, I noticed that my mixdowns have a lower volume than other tracks i compare with. I try every time to get the highest volume possible withouth distortion, but it's still not enough.
I want to know if there is some effects i can use to gain the maximum volume possible on my mixdowns withouth distorion. and wich of those options you give me (i hope) is the best to apply.
I'm using Sonar 5. I now. I have a mixer, connected to my pc, and a B1 Condencer mic.
Thanx in advance, for the help..
ps: I'm not english speaking. forgive me for the bad autography, gramatica, word spelling etc etc.
Do you mix with a compressor on the main bus ?
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Chincho
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/29 14:08:34
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Do you mix with a compressor on the main bus ?
I don't know how to put the tracks in busses and things. I just compress every voice (i'm recording rap artists) separately mix the tracks the way i want it to sound like. put effects, compress en every thing i want to do on each voice, separately. and than I mixdown the track. export. than i import the mixdown in another project, and i compress it trying to gain some more DB's and add some EQ if needed. i've heard that the limiter isn't a recomended way to gain more volume, and neither the master volume paramater. so, what else can I do ??? ant to the other guy who gave me the link. Where can I download the pdf file. i see no file to download on the site. only softwares
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Plyrman
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/29 14:23:08
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Hey Chincho....as mentioned the "volume" issues are handled in the "mastering" process...that could simply mean running the two channel L & R final mix through something...of your choice....and adjusting the bass, mid, and hi frequencies as well as the "volume" of the overall mix.....
I use a Sony CD deck similar to the Alesis Masterlink for this process. I'm sure there are many software programs to do it as well....
Just my .03 cents......
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Chincho
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/29 14:35:58
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ORIGINAL: Plyrman
Hey Chincho....as mentioned the "volume" issues are handled in the "mastering" process...that could simply mean running the two channel L & R final mix through something...of your choice....and adjusting the bass, mid, and hi frequencies as well as the "volume" of the overall mix.....
I use a Sony CD deck similar to the Alesis Masterlink for this process. I'm sure there are many software programs to do it as well....
Just my .03 cents......
Can't i get more volume with sonar 5 ? look, here's my story (part of it) I'm happy with the mixing I'm doing. it go through the screaning prosses of the radio stations here, and i'm becoming more fomus here. rappers are calling me from all over the island, to do they recordings. but write now just want to get more volume withouth damage my quality and withouth getting clips distortion. or what other program do you recomend me ?? I thouth that I just had to get me some vst plugins to do all that masterings stuff. like comrpessers, reverbs, limiters, dynamic prossesing etc
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ohhey
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/29 15:11:55
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ORIGINAL: Chincho
Do you mix with a compressor on the main bus ?
I don't know how to put the tracks in busses and things.
I just compress every voice (i'm recording rap artists) separately
mix the tracks the way i want it to sound like. put effects, compress en every thing i want to do
on each voice, separately. and than I mixdown the track. export. than i import the mixdown in another project, and i compress it trying to gain some more DB's and add some EQ if needed. i've heard that the limiter isn't a recomended way to gain more volume, and neither the master volume paramater. so, what else can I do ???
ant to the other guy who gave me the link. Where can I download the pdf file. i see no file to download on the site. only softwares
I'm just talking about the main stereo output bus, the one you use the listen to the mix and export. It has an effects bin just like the tracks do. You can put a compressor there to make the entire mix louder. Just watch the meters and make sure they don't go into the red.
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Jonny M
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/29 15:34:52
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ORIGINAL: ohhey
I'm just talking about the main stereo output bus, the one you use the listen to the mix and export. It has an effects bin just like the tracks do. You can put a compressor there to make the entire mix louder. Just watch the meters and make sure they don't go into the red.
Is that the Master output you're refreeing to? Or a bus? I thught if you sent something to a bus then it splits the channel..? Or am I confusing this with something? Aagh.
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ohhey
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/29 15:39:17
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ORIGINAL: Jonny M
ORIGINAL: ohhey
I'm just talking about the main stereo output bus, the one you use the listen to the mix and export. It has an effects bin just like the tracks do. You can put a compressor there to make the entire mix louder. Just watch the meters and make sure they don't go into the red.
Is that the Master output you're refreeing to? Or a bus? I thught if you sent something to a bus then it splits the channel..? Or am I confusing this with something? Aagh.
Yes, the master output, it's just a bus like other ones you might create but it's there by default.
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/11/29 17:20:52
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/12/03 01:06:29
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...and then, for the love of Dog, spend a day or two reading the manual and doing the tutorial. It's ESSENTIAL that you learn the tools you're using. After that, I would STRONGLY recommend picking up "The Mix Engineer's Handbook" - which will cover off a lot of mixing techniques that you will NEED to use regardless of what style of music - or spoken word, as the case may be - you are creating; Concepts such as equalization and dynamics are not necessarily for the faint of heart; there's some definite skill and science to it.
Once you've done all that... practice practice practice!
Without an understanding of basic concepts such as bussing and dynamics, you're going to hit the wall very quickly.
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Thomas Campitelli
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/12/03 15:39:00
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ORIGINAL: Chincho
or what other program do you recomend me ?? I thouth that I just had to get me some vst plugins to do all that masterings stuff. like comrpessers, reverbs, limiters, dynamic prossesing etc
You can do some mastering in Sonar just as it is, although you will probably want some extra help. Mastering can be, in my opinion, more difficult than recording. If you are not comfortable with Sonar and how to use it then you should learn Sonar first. Ozone is a software package that you can use within Sonar to help with mastering. That PDF manual you were looking for can be found at: http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/ozone/OzoneMasteringGuide.PDF. Voxengo makes several VST effects that can be used together to help with mastering tasks. You can find them at http://www.voxengo.com/group/mastering/. The have a group of plugins called the Voxengo Mastering Suite. Those would probably do the trick. Honestly, you may want to have someone else do your mastering. That way, you don't have to buy anything and you don't need to learn how to do it yourself. There are many people that specialize in mastering music.
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themidiroom
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RE: Read This. Help me, please.. (mixdown volume)
2006/12/04 10:40:40
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I think it's good for mix engineers to be familiar with mastering. Even if you don't plan to do any mastering, knowing the process will probably make you a better mix engineer. I do some mastering mostly for demos. Over the years, I've gotten much better at it.
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