Realistic Options From Here (before we grow beards waiting for fixes)...

Howdy folks...

I've just spent the last hour shopping the dreaded PT options for the first time in detail and without starting THAT debate all over again, although it isn't in the same context (venom?) in the 700 forum, there seems to be some solid options for hardware integration with the Eucon gear for example not all that expensive.
Choices Right Now IMO:
1. 8.5 has no long term future. <cue flushing toilet sample>
2. X1 & X2 are not fully implemented under 700 control so no point sticking around 'hoping', the writing is quite clear.
3. Mackie or similar options. Been there years ago until 700 stuff came out so this one makes me say %*&%!
4. Jump to another platform.
5. Stay a Sonar flag waver in the hope they may one day give a stuff and fix their integration 'issues' (IF POSSIBLE!!??) before getting the next commercial release to market that doesn't fix these related issues anyway. Thanks for nothing?

No real shock with respect to Cake as I believe the big corporate has dumped them with this and they prolly accept a lose of any small portion of customer base (like me) who would consider jumping over to another platform that actually DOES have a hardware supported future.... personally I very rarely do the whole MIDI edit thing so perhaps I've been on the wrong boat the whole time and was silly to want a tactile set of faders...maybe I am too old school maybe? There must be a LOT of mouse happy mixing folk out there?

Can anyone here state that the 700C works fully under PT10? I'm thinking about trying out the free demo of PT10 (haven't used PT literally in years!) with the 700C. Short sighted of them to demand an iLok for a demo though...


Anyway thanks for any input fellow sufferers and unless I hear a genuine squeak of hope about all this, I am continuing to do more research on options 3 & 4. The other ones sadly have no future IMO but I would love to hear qualified thought from fellow users.

Cheers!

Hey mate... I forgot about the Nulceus, thanks. Will check it out...again.

Didn't realize the 700 gear brought you here...I can understand your pain alright! Damn...

I can't help but wonder if PT actually is the wiser way to go as it simply has SO much support? Hmm..

Was just now looking at the Mackie options... at least you can jump to all places with MCU. I sold it off to get onto the 700.

Cheers for now.

Hey mate yeah it if it looks like a duck... it is probably a duck.

If it wasn't for the iLok business I would have it installed and running by now. Started looking at the Eleven rack option as the sounds are quite good and PT10 is included which makes it interesting and all under $800.

Also checked out some Mackie controllers... the big boys which you can get for less than $2500 s/h like the DB8.... GREAT looking bit of gear.... need to do some more integration satisfaction homework tonight though but thinking seriously about listing the 700 gear and just moving forward.

Mixing with the 700 now bites (for me anyway) so can keep all the other releases I have of Sonar in the event I want to go back to mouse based editing etc.

Back to the Google searches!

PS: if anyone is interested in buying some 700 gear, drop me a msg as I am seriously now considering it.

Cheers.

I don't think I'll let go of my system soon since my interface is being investigated for modification by the BLA guys.

Next stop for me will be the SSL matrix with some Metric Halo I/Os and external pres, probably Phoenix/Manley stuff.  So I have to make a lot of money with the VS.... Even a second I/O is not out of the equation for now.

When I'll hit the $50k mark, I'll see what king of experience I had with Roland.... I just don't want to get a big a$$ loan to pay if I lose patience before....

Just thinking about fader expansion.... could another device such as the mackie extender pro could be added to the vs700c?

I really dig the led crown around the knobs to show actual setting.

It's good that peeps have confidence, but I've lost all due to past performance. I was looking at the D8B as well Mully, these guys made a software for about $300.00 to turn the D8B into a full controller http://www.bluaudio.org/d8bridge/

Yeah man someone said on one of the other forums that it might be in 2 versions so should be interesting.

Looks like its built with the Euphonics Artist mix with 4 of them it looks pricey !

Dunno about 'toy' Craig.... I can understand your points but the reality is that the X1 'upgrade' wasted a load of hours and you have to wonder why we weren't warned before paying the coin and being led to believe all will be well etc... not interested in staying with the past as there is no support and the X series are where Sonar is at now.

It is a ridiculous concept for Cake (or any other X1/2 upgrading customer) to expect us to use 8.5 now as a workaround.

Hopefully they DO update the system but you would have to be kidding yourself to think it is anywhere near a priority for them. Do not hold your breath, even my fan boi glasses are glazed over surely by now?

Cheers.

It's because we have been here long enough. It's not about whether the next update will be a failure or not. It's about that X1 broke many aspects of VS700c, and X1d (!) fixed many of them. Now we got the very same thing with the release of X2. Yes, the upcoming update will fix many or most of them, while maybe 1 or 2 small improvements (aka feature requests) are added.

Some people can't accept that the 4K flagship is an afterthought, and probably always will be. They're not keen on going through the same experience with X3. That's why they are looking for other options.

We could also wait for X3b to make our very final verdict ...


It's not too late yet. But you can't blame anyone in here for being upset.

woohhaa mully now that look insane!  Didn't know of this company, their stuff look very nice!

http://au.fairlight.com.au/product/xynergi/

Crazy good.. Fairlight have a long history and some important peeps involved in it's history (Bruce Jackson from memory)... had some influence over the years.

This expanded product line has my interest.

Cheers.

So guys, I just got X2 (well paid for it but grappling with download...)
To those of you wanting to buy something new exactly what functions are you unable to do without that will niot operate with X2?
Frankly I still use the mose and keyboard but I do want transport save pan sliders etc.
They all seem OK with X1.
Oh and I want the Fantom to work with X2 and I assume it will.
Cheers
WSS

So this is for Mully and I am sorry to be chiming in here about the Fairlight but I do have a bit of a soft spot for it LOL!

No Mully my wife was right and I am glad I did not get in the end because we bought a house instead!!!  And only a few years later I ended up with EMU stuff which was WAY cheaper and it was equivalent to 10 Fairlights! 

Not even sure about spending 20K on the new on either. You know that sort of money would set you up with a serious setup. I think it is just a matter of that owning the Fairlight thing that will entice people to buy one now. And it is still not ultra powerful either. The screen is still green and very large and cumbersome. 

Sorry you guys are having issues with getting the V700C controller to work with X1 or X2. I really don't think it is going to happen. I would be looking into another option if it is a controller you are after. 

But if you are going to keep the V700C I think it is going to be a situation where you just work with what things it does control and that is still basic tracks and buses etc and the transport. Seems like e.Blue is getting some things to happen so I wish you all good luck on that one. 

Maybe buy a Fairlight instead. 

Hi Mully! OK now we know we cant have a Fairlight then the next best thing is back to our setups. Actually I was reading last night in SOS that someone has actually released a VST that does all the Failrlight sounds now and they have all been sampled from the big beast itself. That would be a great compromise if you really wanted that sound I suppose. Apparently it sounds amazing.

Yes I am into the digital mixer concept. I use a Yamaha 01V. Here are some reasons why digital mixers are pretty cool:

Lot of inputs can be connected. (32 in the case of a Yamaha 01V 96) Analog and Digital eg 8 or 16 digital channels from Sonar and back. I think now for the 96i it is 32 channels each way!

Small footprint

EQ and Dynamics on every input and output. (Nice transperant stereo compressor can be applied to your stereo mix during mixdown if required, great pre mastering technique)

2 (4 for the 01v 96) serious time based effects processors on board. SPX quality, very nice reverbs!

All A to D and D to A conversion all taken care of.

16 High quality Mic Pres

Faders can control tracks and busses in Sonar. Mixer moves can be recorded and edited as midi data on a midi track in Sonar

Full monitoring taken care of.

External sends for any outboard processing

Input sources can be heard and monitored without computer even turning on.

Endless processing before recording if needed and headphones and effects for tracking all at zero latency

Stems can be easliy sent from Sonar to mixer during mixdown allowing manual control and further processing if required. Less demand on your CPU as a result of this.

The 01V 96 can handle 24 bit and 96K sample rates if required.

Easy to set up external (VU)  K system metering on main stereo buss.

Unlimited signal routing options, Sonar can record from any input, output of mixer etc.. Allows Sonar tracks and busses to easily feed new audio track inputs without any external patching required.

Spare buttons can be programmed for transport operations (01V96)

Huge complex mix setups can be stored and recalled and stored easily with Sonar projects as well. (midi dumps etc)

Motorised faders

The one to get now is the 01V96i

http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/mixers/01v96i/ 

The only thing is that if you have all your interface and A to D taken care of then the mixer might be unnecessary. It is a better option for those wanting to start out and get all that sorted at once.

A yamaha 02R96 would be awesome, but I think a Tascam D3200 should work nicely as well.