Jazzy2040
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Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
Hello,
Is it possible that Reaper doesn't give the possibility to assign a Shift function on a control surface ?
Thanks.
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TheMaartian
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/12 12:56:40
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The 'Shift' key on my FaderPort (FP1) works just fine. Which control surface are you trying to use?
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Jazzy2040
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/12 17:24:39
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/12 17:31:58
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Does the FaderPort have any configuration file or did you assign the buttons yourself ?
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/12 17:44:06
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Jazzy2040
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You have more chance for a good answer on Cockos forum. csurf plug-ins in general can do almost everything. But it seems like such plug-in for NI KK is not yet written...: https://forum.cockos.com/...hp?t=191158&page=2
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/12 17:47:01
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Hi Alexey,
Thanks for the info.
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/12 19:12:03
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Jazzy2040
Does the FaderPort have any configuration file or did you assign the buttons yourself ?
Text .INI file that can be remapped to the user's discontent. Requires the FaderPort XT community-developed driver. You'll need something similar for the control surface on your NI keyboard. I was never able to get usable results with the control surface on my P6. The Reaper integration from Nektar is buggy and hasn't been touched in years. To Reaper's credit, it has supported soft takeover since v3.0 (for 9 years). Check out the ongoing thread on control surface integration on the Reaper forum. https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=183143
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/12 19:27:58
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TheMaartian
Check out the ongoing thread on control surface integration on the Reaper forum.
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=183143
While that is an interesting project, NI KK needs small but special integration, to correctly cooperate with NI instances and at the same time provide DAW and other plug-ins control. (I have checked corresponding Ableton script, but I have no such keyboard and Sonar has no function required for correct integration... I am not yet sure Reaper has it, there was some discussion with intermediate conclusion it is not, but Reaper developers have not participated and so for me that is just a rumor).
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/13 15:14:42
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Jazzy2040
Does the FaderPort have any configuration file or did you assign the buttons yourself ?
Text .INI file that can be remapped to the user's discontent. Requires the FaderPort XT community-developed driver.
You'll need something similar for the control surface on your NI keyboard.
I was never able to get usable results with the control surface on my P6. The Reaper integration from Nektar is buggy and hasn't been touched in years.
To Reaper's credit, it has supported soft takeover since v3.0 (for 9 years).
Check out the ongoing thread on control surface integration on the Reaper forum.
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=183143
azslow3
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Check out the ongoing thread on control surface integration on the Reaper forum.
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=183143
While that is an interesting project, NI KK needs small but special integration, to correctly cooperate with NI instances and at the same time provide DAW and other plug-ins control.
(I have checked corresponding Ableton script, but I have no such keyboard and Sonar has no function required for correct integration... I am not yet sure Reaper has it, there was some discussion with intermediate conclusion it is not, but Reaper developers have not participated and so for me that is just a rumor).
WOW!! I visited that almost 2 years long thread. Well I have to say that it's more alarming than comforting as it raises questions that echo in my head. Why bother? Am I nuts? Why spend so much time on something that is supposed to save time? The truth is that working studios can afford to put aside unsupported controllers and buy a 1k$+ controller that is natively supported by their DAW and get on to their work, but that's not the case for spend only setups like mine. BTW. while searching also if Reaper had a MIDI controller feedback possible, I found out that hundreds of Reaper users have been begging for this since 2012 and I didn't see that it was solved or addressed by Reaper's devs. I can imagine that a global MIDI echo can have some devastating results but how hard can it be for skilled programmers to add a Checkbox in the parameters learn window to enable or not MIDI feedback ? Especially in Reaper as every control has to be learned individually. Anyway, this makes me appreciate more Cakewalk's ACT Midi Controller with its automatic parameters mapping even though it doesn't have either MIDI feedback capacity.(only AZ control has it all  )
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/13 16:11:11
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Jazzy2040
WOW!!
I visited that almost 2 years long thread.
Well I have to say that it's more alarming than comforting as it raises questions that echo in my head.
Geoff is quite active. And I guess the result can work.
Why bother?
Am I nuts?
Why spend so much time on something that is supposed to save time?
May be to save time? Several AZ Controller configurations was made for special needs. Even when you can effort 5k$+ controller, that does not mean its integration with anything is what you want. It also can happened that you have something and do not want pollute your working space with something else in case the device can do what you want. That way A&H Qu preset was born (far from cheapest device...) and Yamaha mixer preset was born (if you have used something for years... you can be attracted to the peace).
BTW. while searching also if Reaper had a MIDI controller feedback possible, I found out that hundreds of Reaper users have been begging for this since 2012 and I didn't see that it was solved or addressed by Reaper's devs.
As with Sonar, Reaper developers suggest device producers write corresponding code. As Sonar, they provide corresponding API, for free. Big (if not most) money everyone pay for hardware controller ARE for software development and DAW get no single cent from that. Unfortunately producers ignore Reaper, as they ignore Sonar. What is funny is that people pay $60 for a DAW, $600 for controller (worse $200 as a hardware device) and then complain DAW is not supporting it... Is that logical?
I can imagine that a global MIDI echo can have some devastating results but how hard can it be for skilled programmers to add a Checkbox in the parameters learn window to enable or not MIDI feedback ?
Especially in Reaper as every control has to be learned individually.
That will not work with 90% of controllers. It will work with some buttons and even less encoders, that is not worse the effort. As feedback, devices in general expect NOT the same values as they send (f.e. MCU and compatible encoders, all colored pads), sometimes not even the same messages (f.e. Faderport), require special timing (Alphatrack, Akai pads) or special care in which situation the feedback is sent (most motorized faders). And that is not even counting "not controllers" such as Digital Mixers, which need special interpretation/timing in both directions. So ALL good feedback, for any controller and DAW, is CODED specially for particular controller and particular DAW. In some DAWs that is possible in C++ only (with open API for Sonar and Reaper, with closed API for all other), in some with scripting languages (Ableton, Bitwig).
Anyway, this makes me appreciate more Cakewalk's ACT Midi Controller with its automatic parameters mapping even though it doesn't have either MIDI feedback capacity.(only AZ control has it all )
As you can guess from my signature, AZ Controller is going to be ported to Reaper  Not in next months, it will take quite some time (a year or so).
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Jazzy2040
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/14 14:10:38
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That will not work with 90% of controllers. It will work with some buttons and even less encoders, that is not worse the effort.
As feedback, devices in general expect NOT the same values as they send (f.e. MCU and compatible encoders, all colored pads), sometimes not even the same messages (f.e. Faderport), require special timing (Alphatrack, Akai pads) or special care in which situation the feedback is sent (most motorized faders). And that is not even counting "not controllers" such as Digital Mixers, which need special interpretation/timing in both directions.
Sure, Even in the same controller (i.e. Nektar Impact LX+) there are 3 kinds of back-lit buttons. the colored pads who's lights are only internally driven, 1 button that expects a different parameter than 7f or 0 to light a led next to it and 2 buttons who do turn on/off when receiving a 7f/0 to the same CC. One of the features I like the most in Samplitude, is its hardware controller management. It is excellent, despite the fact that it doesn't have the automatic vst parameter mapping like ACT does. It has 4 modifiers, Shift and Shift lock and 2 others that I have no idea how to use yet. And it has a global "Echo on" with the possibility to disable feedback for individual controls. In my humble opinion it would have been smarter to have it reversed: Global Echo off with the possibility to enable feedback for individual controls. But... that's just me.
As you can guess from my signature, AZ Controller is going to be ported to Reaper
Not in next months, it will take quite some time (a year or so).
That's great news!!! I have no doubt that you're going to do a great job and that it will be, for me, another enticement to adopt Reaper. Best Regards.
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/15 20:20:41
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I was never able to get usable results with the control surface on my P6. The Reaper integration from Nektar is buggy and hasn't been touched in years
I'm a bit surprised. See? I've been a little in touch with Nektar's support and they were extremely friendly and helpful. And I only have the little, modest but smart LX25+. The Panorama being their flagship product, I have a hard time believing that they would ignore or dismiss any existing bugs. The only reason why I'm not using the Nektar DAW integration is that In the DAW integration, there is a whole section dedicated to VSTis but I have the Komplete Kontrol s25 taking good care of the VSTis. I bought the LX25+ to Komplete the Kontrol: to control the VSTs. I hope that you will enjoy more using the P6. Sometimes problems can be solved with a bit of communication. 
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/15 21:55:50
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I was never able to get usable results with the control surface on my P6. The Reaper integration from Nektar is buggy and hasn't been touched in years
I'm a bit surprised.
See? I've been a little in touch with Nektar's support and they were extremely friendly and helpful.
And I only have the little, modest but smart LX25+.
The Panorama being their flagship product, I have a hard time believing that they would ignore or dismiss any existing bugs.
The only reason why I'm not using the Nektar DAW integration is that In the DAW integration, there is a whole section dedicated to VSTis but I have the Komplete Kontrol s25 taking good care of the VSTis.
I bought the LX25+ to Komplete the Kontrol: to control the VSTs.
I hope that you will enjoy more using the P6.
Sometimes problems can be solved with a bit of communication.
I worked with Nektar support, and yes, they were friendly and trying to be helpful. There's a bug in the .sysex file (one specific command fails every time it's called). I sent them the log file. And that was that. None of the shift functions worked (like bank shifting; who needs that anyway, right?). The transport was screwed up. And more. The Panorama line may be their flagship, but it's years old. None of the native support drivers (Studio One, Reaper, Bitwig, etc) have been updated in years. The Reaper support worked better, but could not coexist with the Studio One support. I dealt with their tech support back then. They said it worked for them and they could have all the different native supports installed with no problem. Must be nice. Like you said, nice peeps. Doesn't make them a great company. I'm currently 0 for 2 with them, for tech support not fixing my problem. I'll not be buying any more of their products. Too bad. Good keybeds and ergonomics. I like the P6 as a keyboard. Use it daily. I bought a FaderPort, which is working great for me. Once I get an FP8, the P6 control surface will become meaningless anyway. Waiting on NI to release the second generation of the S88 keyboard. I've played piano since the late 50s and I really miss having 88 keys!
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Jazzy2040
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/16 21:42:46
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I worked with Nektar support, and yes, they were friendly and trying to be helpful. There's a bug in the .sysex file (one specific command fails every time it's called). I sent them the log file. And that was that. None of the shift functions worked (like bank shifting; who needs that anyway, right?). The transport was screwed up. And more.
The Panorama line may be their flagship, but it's years old. None of the native support drivers (Studio One, Reaper, Bitwig, etc) have been updated in years.
Not looking good indeed!!
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/16 22:40:47
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In all fairness, I should add that I did find a good use for the 9 manual faders on my P6. I was able to map them, transposed, on to the 9 drawbars on my B3 VSTi. The 100mm ALPS fader goes up and down when I power the P6 on...and them becomes a 10th manual fader. 
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Jazzy2040
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Re: Reaper Control Surface Shift button ?
2018/03/17 00:26:02
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Nice,
When you're creative you always find a good use for things.
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