michael diemer
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Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
Title says it all. We knew this was coming. It will be a serious competitor for sonar now, as Cakewalk continues to back-burner requests for improvements to notation. I will certainly be buying reaper as soon as it's ready. I have never used any DAW but sonar. So it will be a big jump, but I pick things up quickly. I have never made the jump beyond sonar 8.5.3. I didn't see the later versions as containing anything for me, and I especially don't care for the new monthly update scheme. If Reaper works out for me, I will finally be able to stay current with my DAW. And maybe even use it in Linux! But if I don't like it, I know I can stay with sonar 8.5.3. and I'm only out 60.00.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 01:26:40
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Reaper has some strengths that I like. I own it, but as for now I don't use it. I couldn't care less about about Notation in my DAW.
ATM I'm a bit more interested in what is coming in Studio One 3.2
But even that will not stop SONAR Platinum as my main DAW.
I hope you find what you're looking for Michael.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 09:14:59
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I have, Reaper, Samplitude, PT12, Studio One 3 and Sonar Platinum. They all have their strengths.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 10:43:50
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump ship just yet. How do you know that the notation will be any better than the one in Sonar? Of course, someone would say it couldn't be any worse!
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 12:17:06
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mudgel
I have, Reaper, Samplitude, PT12, Studio One 3 and Sonar Platinum. They all have their strengths.
+1 Sonar Platinum is my primary DAW software... but I like having multiple applications in the "toolbox".
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 12:20:26
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I completely agree...
I never want to be a "one trick pony".
Things change at a moments notice...and I like at least
knowing my way around in other DAW's somewhat...
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michael diemer
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 12:26:46
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As I said, I can always come back to sonar, and 60.00 is not a big deal. It won't really be ready for awhile anyway. But there is a tremendous buzz on their forum, back and forth between the devs and users, very good communication there. Most of what they are talking about is beyond me, but it seems to be shaping up nicely and quickly. My situation is that sonar 8.5.3 is obviously dated. I'm not interested in the later versions. I'm also going to be moving to Linux at some point as windows has also lost me. I use Linux exclusively now for everything but music. Still need Windows for sonar of course. But Reaper's ability to work in Linux will be another reason to switch for me. On the other hand, sonar still works fine for what I do, and may prove to be better. But like many have said, no reason to use only one. It's time I tried something else, if only to rattle my aging brain cells.
post edited by michael diemer - 2016/02/13 16:33:51
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 13:55:56
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Michael,
On Linux you can also use Harrison's Mixbus 3. But I'm sure you knew that.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/13 16:40:42
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Right Ed/Bapu, and also Bitwig, Ardour, Renoise and a bunch more. But to my knowledge, only Rosegarden has a notation editor. And that is a difficult monkey to tame, from what I've heard. Thus my interest in Reaper. It runs now in wine, and the devs do seem interested in making it Linux-native. Again, my situation is that I'm using Windows only for music. And Windows 7 EOL's in four years. That's why I'm using Linux for everything else, so I'll be ready. I have completely lost confidence in Microsoft. And Linux is wicked fun. Just not so much for music. But I'm thinking that will change in four years. Got to be looking to the future!
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/16 01:08:37
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Well, I downloaded Reaper for the first time. Not a very intuitive DAW. I can't get my Garritan Aria player to work right with it, and so far not much help from their forum. But I'll stick with it, I'm sure it can be done. I probably was just as confused with sonar at first!
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/16 03:00:10
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I'm hoping that there is a plan to overhaul Midi. That a large enough number of improvements have been identified that it in itself is separate project. With that includes Staff View which is tied into Midi just the same way PRV is. And that we'll see both views come forward to be more competitive with others.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/16 08:26:31
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michael diemer
Well, I downloaded Reaper for the first time. Not a very intuitive DAW. I can't get my Garritan Aria player to work right with it, and so far not much help from their forum. But I'll stick with it, I'm sure it can be done. I probably was just as confused with sonar at first!
I spent a couple of weeks trying out Reaper and, out of the box, it is not very friendly. You'll need to decide how you want it to work for you and then find a theme, menus and scripts/actions that will support your vision. Once you've got it setup the way you want, you'll find that it is really great for audio recording and mixing. Depending on your level of midi programming, you may find Reaper's midi implementation good enough. I found it somewhat lacking in that area, but it is workable if you really want to switch away from Windows. I will also say that Reaper has it's share of compatibility issues, crashes and "forced to use a workaround" as any other DAW. Just the way it is. Regards, Dan
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/16 22:14:58
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I have given up for now on getting Reaper to work. I can't for the life of me figure out how to set up my Aria player so it plays all 16 channels correctly. My left arm is so sore I had to switch back to the right. My brain is even sorer. I'm trying to figure out how to tactfully tell them on the forum that Reaper's midi routing is massively confusing. Maybe they will simplify it at some point, but for now it's just not worth any more farting around.
There! I got the venting out here, so I don't alienate the good folks over there!
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/16 22:14:59
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I have given up for now on getting Reaper to work. I can't for the life of me figure out how to set up my Aria player so it plays all 16 channels correctly. My left arm is so sore I had to switch back to the right. My brain is even sorer. I'm trying to figure out how to tactfully tell them on the forum that Reaper's midi routing is massively confusing. Maybe they will simplify it at some point, but for now it's just not worth any more farting around.
There! I got the venting out here, so I don't alienate the good folks over there!
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/18 16:39:11
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Well, with a lot of help, I have gotten Reaper up and running. Aria player works with 16 channels. However, I have to arm the one I want to hear, and disarm any others. A bit cumbersome compared with Sonar. I'm not sure if this is standard procedure, or is because my keyboard is ancient, and only sends on one channel. But at least I'm up and running. Still a lot to learn. Need to get some reverb going. Once I'm more familiar with things, I might download the Notation edition (pre-release). Or maybe just wait for it to be fully implemented. That will be the real test. Only if that works out for me will I consider Reaper viable.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/18 17:25:27
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michael diemer
Well, with a lot of help, I have gotten Reaper up and running. Aria player works with 16 channels. However, I have to arm the one I want to hear, and disarm any others. A bit cumbersome compared with Sonar. I'm not sure if this is standard procedure, or is because my keyboard is ancient, and only sends on one channel. But at least I'm up and running. Still a lot to learn. Need to get some reverb going. Once I'm more familiar with things, I might download the Notation edition (pre-release). Or maybe just wait for it to be fully implemented. That will be the real test. Only if that works out for me will I consider Reaper viable.
The monitoring/arming is a bit strange in Reaper. It's not too bad though really. There are two or three different ways to go about IM between MON and REC modes. Honestly, I like Reaper a lot. I installed the pre with notation and gave it a quick look, without trying to do any edits. It *look* good, but ... I think it's wise to get a head start on learning the Reaper way. Make sure you install the SWS extensions and ReaMenus. ReaMenus will help you hold onto your sanity as the default menu system appears to have been put together by a sadist. There are also some very nice themes (skins). My favorite right now is the LCS mod of Imperial; full folder support in the mixer is really nice. Sonar is still my primary, but that's prolly because I have way more time and $$ invested in Sonar.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/18 21:37:57
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Dark Star on the Reaper forum solved the problem of arming tracks. There's an auto-arm feature. You just turn it on and all the tracks play when selected. Now if I can just figure out reverb...
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/19 01:11:10
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michael diemer
...and so far not much help from their forum...
Hi michael- Well, that's not really fair, I don't think! A few of us have tried to help (especially DarkStar) and you seem to be getting closer. -Susan
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/19 13:19:34
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Susan, that didn't come out the way I meant it. What I meant was, I was getting a lot of help (including from you), but the problem was still unsolved. I should have put it differently. And yes, I was venting. When you spend close to 20 hours on something with no progress, you get frustrated. I did it here so as not to offend the folks there. And thank you for your help. Your example of routing did help me as I was able to compare and make sure mine was correct. It was the inputs that were the problem.
post edited by michael diemer - 2016/02/19 13:38:55
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/19 13:22:02
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I solved the reverb problem. It turns out that the sends on the Aria mixer are for reverb. I always controlled that with the purple slider in sonar, so I never even knew what those sends do. So now I have good sounds in Reaper. I'm trying to get EWSO Silver up and running in it now.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/22 19:19:04
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michael diemer
Susan, that didn't come out the way I meant it. What I meant was, I was getting a lot of help (including from you), but the problem was still unsolved. I should have put it differently. And yes, I was venting. When you spend close to 20 hours on something with no progress, you get frustrated. I did it here so as not to offend the folks there. And thank you for your help. Your example of routing did help me as I was able to compare and make sure mine was correct. It was the inputs that were the problem.
Hi michael- [Sorry for the late reply; been having some showstopper hardware issues and so offline for a few days.] I understand your frustration (been there recently--see above  ). It seems like you've made lots of progress, congrats. I just didn't want the REAPER forum to get a bad rep, so thanks for the clarification. -Susan
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/22 20:49:53
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So is there a version of Reaper with the notation as a public beta. If you please post a link for those of use who can't find it.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/23 20:30:35
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I'm not sure how you go about becoming a tester for a Reaper pre-release build. I don't want to to give out inaccurate info. I'm guessing that Susan G. would know about this?
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/23 20:36:52
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michael diemer
I'm not sure how you go about becoming a tester for a Reaper pre-release build. I don't want to to give out inaccurate info. I'm guessing that Susan G. would know about this?
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/23 22:32:56
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michael diemer
I'm not sure how you go about becoming a tester for a Reaper pre-release build. I don't want to to give out inaccurate info. I'm guessing that Susan G. would know about this?
It's there on the Reaper forums. I mess with the 32 bit versions. I can't find the notation editor in the recent builds.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/24 13:14:26
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BobF said it's in versions 5.2 and up.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/24 17:22:02
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I would have never found it if it weren't for Bob. The hide it well.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/27 00:14:29
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They have a forum called REAPER Pre-Release Discussion listed on their main forums page, so it's not exactly hidden. Anyone can participate in the pre-release betas. Edit: BTW, the first sticky thread there is about notation. -Susan
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/27 00:15:31
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I was referring to the notation editor.
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Re: Reaper Now Testing Notation Editor
2016/02/27 00:17:38
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It's there; see my edited post above. The first sticky is all about the new notation feature.
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