Recent Windows Updates?

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2012/08/16 23:47:12 (permalink)

Recent Windows Updates?

I noticed that Windows 7 just had a few updates yesterday, when I booted up my studio computer today it was rolling though them. Anyways, I had a client over and opened a project I had been working on recently and Sonar crashed. Anyone else have any problems with this, or was it just a fluke? 

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    JD1813
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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 09:14:21 (permalink)
      I use a Win 7 workstation as well, and I made it through I think 9 patches this time around, and as soon as I restarted and waited patiently for it to do its "configuring updates" thing, I was right back into my latest project fine. I do not see any reports of any bad patches. However this thread is always important to keep in mind, because all of us who have our DAW networked because of some applications needing that status for licensing etc, are always at the mercy of MS and its constant patch updates. I would so love to have a truly isolated DAW that has no need for internet access. There are so many pros and cons though. I like being able to finish a project, export the audio, produce the MP3, jump on my 2 websites and upload it, all from the DAW and lose very little time.... but there's a price we all pay for having to run on a Windows platform and keep dealing with the patch nonsense.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 10:03:41 (permalink)
    I didn't try opening Sonar yesterday after the updates, but the updates did not take on my computer. Virtually every one "failed" even after I tried installing several times. It certainly could be an update thing.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 10:45:50 (permalink)
      Ray: wow, that's severe. You may want to go to your System Restore options and see if you can roll your system back a day or two (if you don't have any important new files created since), and then try again to update the patches. alternatively, you can try going to your Control panel, programs and updates, and uninstall the last several periods worth of patches (go by the dates of install), and then reboot, and again try adding them back in after a clean start.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 10:59:17 (permalink)
    What worked for me after experiencing several "roll backs" :

    * there are 8 in all (9 if you have MSE)
    KB2722913
    KB2705219
    KB2712808
    KB2731847
    KB2647753
    KB2729094
    KB2732487
    KB2732500

    * install the first 4, together then re-boot

    * then the rest one by one, re-booting each time

    * according to here the offender was (its supposedly fixed now) KB2647753. But even that, for me, on its own, installed correctly.

    * KB2732500 does not need a re-boot.

    The above method was long and a PITA, but it worked for me. It should be fixed now according to MS ..........;

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 16:32:47 (permalink)
    I loaded the same project just now, without any problems. Strange, hopefully it was just a fluke!

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 16:54:29 (permalink)

    Just sharing an experience...

    I've had my DAW for the past 2 years and I keep it connected to the internet for updates - Windows, plugins, etc...
    While I can work with many software applications, I'm quite ignorant about what makes them tick.

    My DAW would go through phases of restarting halfway through a cold start. Then I would be working on Sonar and one minute I'm recording next thing I know my DAW restarts on its own. Really bad crash like someone pulled out the plug on it.

    So after months of blaming my computer, Sonar, bad drivers and everything in between except Win 7, I learned that some systems are "more sensitive" than others. My laptop (Win7 as well) which I keep as a "dirty computer" (internet browsing, emails, etc), never suffered a single glitch while my DAW which is obviously much more powerful, would be limping after certain Win updates. Then the problem goes away on its own when apparently MS decides to patch the previous faulty ones.

    So yes, we're at their mercy. But yesterday's update didn't cause any problems for me though.
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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 17:26:36 (permalink)
    Not having shut-down from a previous update can result in not installing new updates.

    No notice is given by windows updates when the computer needs to be powered-off. Just the little shield on the shutdown button.

    This is way stupid.


    AND:::: immediately disable auto updates. This should be set to manual only.
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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 17:32:11 (permalink)
    Just returned from a working on a client's computer.

    The wireless card driver update nuked the machine.

    I always install hardware updates separately. And I create a restore point before doing so.

    During the past 10 years I have had to fix a bunch of computers that crapped because of hardware updates. Usually it is a wrong driver for vid card. But it also has been printer patches, and audio devices.

    Do all updating manually. Watch for errors. Investigate. Use the Event viewer.  Stop all auto update stuff. Use msconfig, and services.msc, and review the task scheduler for more crap. Including the defragger.
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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 17:42:15 (permalink)
    My wife experienced the same problem with her laptop. The configuring failed for three days before she told me what was going on. Simply, on Windows 7, go into system and security, check for Windows updates and manually install the updates one by one. It is time consuming, but it solved the problem. Everything downloaded and configured fine. You just have to do it one update at a time. I have no idea why.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/17 19:40:49 (permalink)
    why anyone lets microsoft make changes to a stable DAW system is beyond me. The more important stability is, the more important disabling updates is. Same for connecting to the interweb.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 00:06:50 (permalink)
    I loaded up Sonar after I booted up with the new updates. My computer actually got up of it's little pedestal and attacked me! I guess that's what I get for updating. ;-p

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 00:54:08 (permalink)
    My recording DAW downstairs gets NO updates. Stripped down, all that's on it is Sonar and the Line6 support programs. Means I gotta transfer projects upstairs for mixing and getting them on the web, but nothing slows down my recording computer.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 02:36:09 (permalink)
    Michael Five


    why anyone lets microsoft make changes to a stable DAW system is beyond me. The more important stability is, the more important disabling updates is. Same for connecting to the interweb.

    Because I have precisely 2 PhDs. One in maths, one in music and one in computer engineering :)


    Jokes aside... I did study music but as far as computers are concerned, I know how to switch it on, click on the taskbar to fire up my X1 and hopefully make some decent sounds come out.


    I thought that keeping a computer system up-to-date was a good thing. But now that you guys are saying your DAWs are off the web, I'm gonna do the same.


    So I guess you update your software / plugins by downloading them from another computer and then transfer them on a USB stick to your DAW and you're good to go, right?
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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 04:48:43 (permalink)
    Samhayman you can do it that way most the time. There are some plugins that need to be on line for an authorization although it can usually be done using another computer. It is much faster to put the daw online long enough to authorize and then disconnect. YMMV

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 05:02:54 (permalink)
    Tkrain


    My recording DAW downstairs gets NO updates. Stripped down, all that's on it is Sonar and the Line6 support programs. Means I gotta transfer projects upstairs for mixing and getting them on the web, but nothing slows down my recording computer.

    Ditto.


    I wouldn't let Microsoft disturb a working, stable DAW environment.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 05:04:55 (permalink)
    Tom Riggs


    Samhayman you can do it that way most the time. There are some plugins that need to be on line for an authorization although it can usually be done using another computer. It is much faster to put the daw online long enough to authorize and then disconnect. YMMV

    It is much faster and what can be an extremely painful authorization process is quick & easy.


    Just make sure you've disabled MS Automatic Updates, for obvious reasons.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 05:17:54 (permalink)
    Sam, sorry to come off like a jerk about it. Appreciate your sense of humor. Myself, I do mostly shuttle things on a usb drive to the daw, but I think what Tom Riggs suggests makes at least as much sense. I just hate dealing with technical problems, so I try to only make changes when I really need something to change. It's a wonder I'm not still on version 3 or so. Though I am on 7 still (with x1 loaded and liking it). I don't have too many problems, though. With the computer that is. I struggle perpetually to produce any good music.... :)

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 05:48:45 (permalink)
    Hey Mike, no worries at all mate :) No offence given nor taken. I do understand where you were coming from. In fact, every time I see the updates bubble pop up, I think to myself that a DAW shouldn't be connected to the internet. Read it before in quite a few places to be honest. But it's beyond me how my own twisted brain sometimes works so I left it plugged in.

    But as of this morning, I am officially disconnected from the web - what I'm using right now is my laptop :)
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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 07:21:56 (permalink)
    rjt


    I didn't try opening Sonar yesterday after the updates, but the updates did not take on my computer. Virtually every one "failed" even after I tried installing several times. It certainly could be an update thing.

    Yes, I had this happen to me as well.  After tracking down the failure codes, it appears to have failed because some files were in use and could not be updated.  After I did a "clean restart" and rebooted a second time they all installed correctly.  Here's what "Help" says about updating after a clean restart.
     
    Click the Start button, type msconfig in the search box, and then click msconfig.exe. If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
    On the General tab, click Selective startup, and then clear the Load startup items check box.
    Click Services, click Hide all Microsoft services, and then click Disable all.
    Click OK, and then click Restart.
    Open Windows Update
    In the left pane, click Check for updates, and then wait while Windows looks for the latest updates for your computer.
    If any updates are found, click Install updates. If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
    Once updates are installed, restart your computer. Click the Start button, type msconfig in the search box, and then click msconfig.exe. If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.
    On the General tab, click Normal startup, click OK, and then click Restart.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 07:55:05 (permalink)
    Learned years ago,never put your studio computer on line,
    updates are rarely good(except from your DAW supplier)
    download them to a key and transfer.
    Make sure your antivirus program is on your download computer.
    don't allow self maitenance programs,or antivirus to be resident on your studio computer.(these suck the life out of your computer)
    no internet,explorer .....clean out all the BS startup garbage.
    Now enjoy the no hassle enviroment.
    Remember if it ain't broke don't fix it.
     
     
     
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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 08:14:51 (permalink)
    ...... if you have the luxury of 2 PC's or laptops.

    Some of us make do with what we have.

    That said, I have NEVER had a problem being connected all the time. And most resident programmes nowadays have a small footprint. Its a moot point as to them "sucking life out of your computer" !

    Each to his/her own

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/18 22:40:38 (permalink)
    Sidroe


    My wife experienced the same problem with her laptop. The configuring failed for three days before she told me what was going on. Simply, on Windows 7, go into system and security, check for Windows updates and manually install the updates one by one. It is time consuming, but it solved the problem. Everything downloaded and configured fine. You just have to do it one update at a time. I have no idea why.

    I wasn't paying attention, but later realized my pc had been trying to update / failed / revert for a few days for these 6 updates. Updating it one by one solved the problem. Thanks!

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/19 14:46:54 (permalink)
    This was the only time I've ever had any issue with my DAW being on the internet, and it seems to have gone away after a restart.

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/19 15:05:17 (permalink)
    If you don't want or can't afford an extra off-line only machine then there's a simple policy that will keep you running smooth and sweetly.

    Always have an OS drive image to fall back on that pre-dates the last monthly updates, Windows System restore doesn't cut it, save yourself the system overhead and turn it off and get a decent imaging solution you can initiate from an optical disk.  Set windows to notify rather than auto-install.  Install them when it suits you and revert to your previous OS image if any issues show up post install.

    Simple, quick and effective.



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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/19 16:07:06 (permalink)
    Glad I could help. I never did understand what the problem was. I just stumbled onto the fix myself. I need to file this tidbit of info in what is left of my tired, old memory.LOL!

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/19 16:35:42 (permalink)
    I just fired up a new system a few days ago and have been working under Win7 Pro 64-bit for the first time. Does SP1 help or hurt things?

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/19 17:53:02 (permalink)
    elsongs


    I just fired up a new system a few days ago and have been working under Win7 Pro 64-bit for the first time. Does SP1 help or hurt things?

    No issue with SP1. Should also keep other drivers updated too (graphic, motherboard).

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    Re:Recent Windows Updates? 2012/08/20 04:24:58 (permalink)
    Mine has been acting a little odd the last few days. CLicking on automation in the master bus sometimes crashes the song...

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