Recommend me some synths/sample sets

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2013/10/01 22:29:27 (permalink)

Recommend me some synths/sample sets

So long and the short of it is I have a couple of Eastwest products and while they make amazing samples, their programmers are extremely poor. After years of waiting Play 4 is out and it STILL doesn't work right. So, I'm about done with them. Time to move on. What I'm looking for is a replacement to their Symphonic Orchestra Platinum and Goliath product. The requirements are good sound and working well with Sonar. While I'd like to not spend too much, no $20,000 recommendations please, I'd drop $500-1000 if it was worth it though I sure wouldn't mind less :D. Sampled (or modeled) stuff is what I'm after, in terms of more pure synths, I'm pretty good with what I've got. In particular good orchestral instruments but something all-around is nice (Goliath covers a bit of everything). Also I'm more interested in something that sounds great out of the box (as the Eastwest stuff does) rather than something that takes a bunch of tweaking.
 
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/02 09:22:01 (permalink)
    The first step would probably be an investment in Native Instruments' Kontakt. It's a much more reliable and stable platform for sample playback, and the most widely-supported sampler format. There are lots of great-sounding symphonic libraries for it, such as those from Spitfire Audio, VSL and Project SAM.
     
    But because it's so widely supported there are also plenty of other interesting libraries, including pianos (straight, bowed or plucked, grands and uprights), percussion and rare or unusual instruments. Best of all, many of them are very inexpensive.
     
    Note that some libraries can be used with the free Kontakt player, while many others require the full Kontakt product. It's the latter group that are less-expensive, as they're not passing on a licensing fee to NI, and the reason I recommend purchasing the full Kontakt.


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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/02 09:36:24 (permalink)
    Vienna Symphonic Library or Kirk Hunter Strings.

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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/02 10:33:49 (permalink)
    Another big +1 for Kontakt as here are a number of third party sounds you can get for it ranging from free to expensive. In other words there is a massive library of sounds for it that will cover most all if not all genres.
     
    Either google, bing or what ever ‘Kontakt sounds’ and take a look and listen.
     

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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/02 14:24:04 (permalink)
    I think maybe Kontakt is in order, particularly since I think it can handle the old Eastwest Kompakt stuff that I still have. I don't have everything in that format, but I do have some stuff. If it is stable, that right there is a big selling point :P.
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/02 18:09:52 (permalink)
    Any of you have Komplete? If so how do you like some of the included instruments, in particular Battery? I'm mulling what I want to do. They'll give me Kontakt for $250 since I bought old Komplete powered Eastwest instruments back in the day. However no special deals for Komplete, have to get that for $500. Trying to decide if I wish to spend that extra money. While stuff like FM8 is neat, frankly I think Z3TA is better so I'll take it, but it isn't a big consideration. Mostly I'm interested in Battery, and in the added sounds.
     
    Worth it, or get Kontakt for less and put the money towards someone else's stuff?
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/02 20:27:26 (permalink)
    I think the consensus would be that the full Komplete is the better deal, because you get so much stuff in the bundle. Especially if you qualify for a discount based on a previous purchase. Personally, I've never been tempted because most of that stuff is of no interest to me - just Kontakt.


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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 01:20:40 (permalink)
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    I think the consensus would be that the full Komplete is the better deal, because you get so much stuff in the bundle. Especially if you qualify for a discount based on a previous purchase. Personally, I've never been tempted because most of that stuff is of no interest to me - just Kontakt.




    It is a better deal for sure... I'm just not sure if I care enough to spend the money. If it were retail vs retail price, Komplete would win no question. $100 extra dollars for that stuff is easy. However I don't qualify for a discount on Komplete but I do qualify for a discount on Kontakt. So it is $250 vs $500. I am just mulling if the extra content is worth it to me. It is lots of stuff, but lots of it I don't care about. Most of the synths I don't really like the kinds of sounds they make and the ones I do I am unconvinced I'll like more than Z3TA. Some of the sounds are good, I'm just trying to decide if they are good enough.
     
    That's the problem is that it isn't a bad deal, it is quite a good one, but looking at it realistically I am not sure if it is worth it for me. So I'm pondering and trying to decide what to get.
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 09:52:43 (permalink)
    Unfortunately this is a question that only you can answer. You have to take a hard look at what is offered and determine if it is of any value to you.
     
    I have FM8 and Kontakt and I have no need for the others. (On a side note 32 bit FM 8 works well in a 64 bit system but the 64 bit FM8 has problems, check NI’s forums for details.) About 99% of the songs I do have Kontakt in it.
     
    If you decide on Kontakt only you might have some money left over for some third party sounds.
     
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 10:09:53 (permalink)
    Kontakt comes with quite a bit of content on its own - 45 GB worth of samples. Sure, much of it's not exactly top-shelf quality, but there's plenty of usable stuff in there.
     
    It may come down to how much you rely on synthesizers and synthetic-type sounds in your music, versus acoustic samples. The EDM crowd loves Massive and FM8. For myself, synthesizers are a condiment, not the main course, so Omnisphere and Zebra are a better fit for me.


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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 12:15:34 (permalink)
    How's Omnisphere in terms of the software? I'm looking at it and it does look like I might be interested, but as I noted with my Play experience, I am tired of stuff that functions poorly. How's stability, usability, all that jazz?
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 14:39:08 (permalink)
    I've had Ominshpere for years and never had any issues whatsoever - I also use Trillian which again is rock solid. Both very high quality products. Both easy to use but there is learning curve, as with most things.
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 15:12:59 (permalink)
    Kontakt was the only thing I wanted from NI. But the deal took hold. (I got a 20% coupon from a dealer that already had it discounted for Komplete.) Sample Instruments that come with Komplete have been far less than impressive to me and I started looking at the other instruments to see if anything impressed with it or if I would have to chalk everything up to a bad learning experience.

    Battery was the strongest  for me, the samples are very solid. I've since found more favor with the classic synths, Absynth & FM8 as solid sounding and little CPU Drain. While Reaktor and Massive haven't yet struck a real chord with me. But for the price, it still seems the way to go.

    Battery was the point that caused me to upgrade to K9U. (And I thought I would get some better string samples for Kontakt too). (And I got another 20% off a dealer's regular 20% off price for it also). Again, the strings were just okay, but the added drums in Battery are nice IMO. There are great things for Kontakt from third parties, some have already been mentioned here, I just can't get behind any on the Native versions.
     
    Have to say overall, the package price still seems the way to go.
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 15:13:58 (permalink)
    Yup, rock solid quality through and through. I have a minor nit or two to pick with the UI, and a couple features I'd like to see added, but that could be said for every software instrument I've ever used.
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    Re: Recommend me some synths/sample sets 2013/10/03 18:13:07 (permalink)
    I said "the hell with it" and got Komplete. I like the pianos, if nothing else. I'll probably look at Omnisphere too, I like the demos I heard and so long as it isn't craptastic like Play, that'd be nice.
     
    I seem to have actually fixed my play problem, but through the dumbest method ever which indicates a serious programming flaw in Play. So I am going to start building sample sets in other synths. I love EWs stuff, but I'm done buying them. This has been YEARS of problems.
     
    So Komplete for now, maybe Omnisphere later.
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