Recommendation for Mastering Software?

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2015/12/23 19:48:26 (permalink)

Recommendation for Mastering Software?

I've been using Izotope Ozone 4 for years and used it to master 5 albums.  I really liked the presets but...  well, they don't make it anymore and there's no support for it.  I'm not really interested in spending $250 for Ozone 7.
 
Is there anything else comparable?  Maybe something that won't set me back several hundred bucks or something with more features?
 
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/23 20:01:34 (permalink)
    Ozone 4 still runs, is 64 bit and doesn't really need "support" -- if you are happy with it, stick with it.  If there is something specific you want/need there is no reason to toss Ozone 4, just find a stand alone plugin that does that new thing.  I have Ozone 4, 5, 6, and 7 all installed and working inside Sonar but I still often use other plugins (T-Racks, Waves) depending on things.

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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/23 20:45:36 (permalink)
    It works, but I'm complacent with v4. 
    The albums I used it for sound good, but I'm looking for something to get "great" results.
     
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/24 05:44:40 (permalink)
    What's wrong with Sonar? Also depends what you consider Mastering.

    For some it's getting the files ready for finalising to a medium for sale. Eg getting ready for Redbook CD release.

    For others mastering is the process of final eq, and dynamics control to maximise levels add meta data etc/

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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/24 11:03:27 (permalink)
    EverSoul
    Is there anything else comparable?  Maybe something that won't set me back several hundred bucks or something with more features?

    In short, no. 
     
    Although there are many inexpensive limiters that are quite capable, none are better than Ozone 4's Maximizer. You'll have to spend over a hundred bucks just to get something else that's in the same league but not necessarily better. FabFilter Pro-L, for example, beats it, but it's 200 bucks.
     
    Honestly, given your comfort level with Ozone 4, Ozone 7 is probably your best bet to ratchet up your quality (yes, it really does beat the pants off of O4) with a minimal learning curve.
     
     
     


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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/24 11:09:53 (permalink)
    Must agree 100% with Bit - Ozone 7 is a massive improvement over version 5, which I was using - and very little learning curve
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/24 11:43:48 (permalink)
    It sounds like you're an experienced mixer.  You should probably heed Bit's advice, but I did notice that IK Multimedia's Stealth Limiter is on sale for about $64 right now....http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/news.php?id=626
     
    Maybe all you need is a Maximizer to add to Sonar's suite of plugins?  You may save yourself some cash.
     
    I know this art is way more about ability and knowledge and way less about the latest plugins, but I've blown some bucks in the process of gaining that knowledge and expanding my abilities:)
     
    I started with T-RackS, then Ozone 5, but I've since moved toward mastering with plugins and not suites.
     
    If you're considering that option, I'd suggest IK's Master EQ 432,  IK's Bus Compressor, and the Waves L2.  But, the Sonitus MB and the EQ's bundled in Sonar may do the job too....

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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/25 02:08:43 (permalink)
    I too enjoy using ik multimedia, especially the EQ 432. I move back and forth with compressors/ limiters depending on the kind of transparency I need or how "chewy" I want the low end to be. After hearing how good the 432 works for overall tone shaping, I have had my eye on their Stealth limiter. They really have a few gems in their lineup.Flavor of the week? Classic Limiter. It's kind of hidden in their classic collection and has a lot of the best of multiband and "old school" response. Anyway, they often have "mega sales"where you can get awhole bunch of good plugs on the cheap. Can't speak to Ozone, but can't say I've ever heard anything but good things, and if you are familiar with their layout, that has to weigh in  considerably in your decision

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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/25 19:36:25 (permalink)
    Thanks for the input guys.  Since most people still pointed to the Ozone, I gave a trial run to the newer versions.
     
    I'm sure 7 is better, but I really like 5.  Its enough familiarity to feel like an old glove and it looks like there's some minor improvements over what I was using as well.
     
    My brother uses Ozone 3 (for the wideners only) and T Racks - didn't much care for that though, but him and I work with completely different genres of music.
     
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/26 01:53:03 (permalink)
    IK's Stealth is FRIGGIN AMAZING...and THAT'S A KILLER DEAL... I have virtually all their plugs and this is on every mix/the others aren't...
     
    Fab's bundles/individuals all have 30 day trials... I find them to be the most visually intuitive, easiest to use, low on cpu... and prestine... widely regarded as top tier everywhere... I have most of them and use them the most.
     
    Ozone/suit... Got it... learning it... but FF still has me by a wide margin for most things...
     
    A couple hundred others are taking up disk space...
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/30 23:48:18 (permalink)
    Vastman , i m having trouble testing ozone 7 , how does the irc IV compare to stealth limiter ?

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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/31 11:00:29 (permalink)
    IRC4 is unique. It's similar to a multi-band limiter except that instead of fixed bands like you'd normally find, it scans the entire spectrum for peaks and lowers them via EQ somewhat like a dynamic equalizer before they hit the limiter.
     
    It works like a charm. The only downside is that it will noticeably alter your master EQ, and you may be the type who prefers to have full control over that yourself. In my experience, though, it does nothing but good stuff.
     
     


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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/31 13:10:24 (permalink)
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    IRC4 is unique. It's similar to a multi-band limiter except that instead of fixed bands like you'd normally find, it scans the entire spectrum for peaks and lowers them via EQ somewhat like a dynamic equalizer before they hit the limiter.
     
    It works like a charm. The only downside is that it will noticeably alter your master EQ, and you may be the type who prefers to have full control over that yourself. In my experience, though, it does nothing but good stuff.
     
     




    And versus Ik stealth ...what's you thoughts ? 
     
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2015/12/31 18:17:34 (permalink)
    I have not used the Stealth Limiter, so I cannot compare. My understanding is that it's a straightforward limiter, albeit with four algorithms and other features you'd expect from a high-end limiter (e.g. dither, oversampling). 


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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/01 19:20:53 (permalink)
    the idea behind Stealth Limiter is that IK claims to use a proprietary algorithm superior to simpler look ahead types and also addresses intersampling and DA conversion issues that, when left unchecked , present overs and distortion artifacts.It's going to be on my top 3 2016 purchase list. (want a good amp attenuator and a new keyboard controller as well). Now if it's Stealthy enough to fly under the radar of my accountant wife's watchful eye, that would be something

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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/01 20:14:53 (permalink)
    Yeh, they make a big deal about Stealth's superior ISP detection. I'm skeptical, though. To do "true" peak detection properly is very CPU-intensive and not practical in a real-time processor. In all likelihood they're doing the same thing everybody else does, which is to use 4x or 8x oversampling. it's not going to be 100% accurate but it's close enough and requires far less number-crunching.
     
    A proprietary lookahead feature sounds interesting, though. It could actually be doing something like Ozone is: some kind of EQ pre-processing before the limiter.


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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/02 00:31:07 (permalink)
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    I too enjoy using ik multimedia, ......... They really have a few gems in their lineup.Flavor of the week? Classic Limiter. It's kind of hidden in their classic collection and has a lot of the best of multiband and "old school" response.
     



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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/03 03:00:56 (permalink)
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    Yeh, they make a big deal about Stealth's superior ISP detection. I'm skeptical, though. To do "true" peak detection properly is very CPU-intensive and not practical in a real-time processor. In all likelihood they're doing the same thing everybody else does, which is to use 4x or 8x oversampling. it's not going to be 100% accurate but it's close enough and requires far less number-crunching.

     
    It is oversampling, not true peaks. You can set it to either off, 4x or 16x in the plugin. It notes which you are using, and notes it as intersample peak detection.
     
    That part of it isn't notable, same deal you see in many plugins as you note (I think of the ones I play with only Tone Booster Barricade actually has a lookahead setting). The big deal is the damn thing works like a volume control up to like 9dBish of boost. I dunno how it does it, but it really does seem to just make everything louder, with no changes to sound character. Any others I've tried only were able to do very small boosts, if at all, before either the character of the sound started changing or they started to distort in some way. This thing does distort/sound bad if you push it too hard but you can damn near double the perceived volume and have it sound the same as it did before. Even things like drum transients. Obviously they get reduced but they don't sound reduced, the hits still hit.
     
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/03 05:30:28 (permalink)
    i wasn't exepcting it , but Ozone 7 maximer killed it several time in heavy tests situations, sepcially in lowend distortion , IK stealth shine in acoustic , but when it come to heavy modern music , the Ozone 7 rules .....in transparent mode ....IRC III & IV 
     
     

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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/03 05:50:29 (permalink)
    Haven't spent much time with ozone yet... it's sitting there awaiting a crazy song writing spurt and I am having way too much fun with Bohemian/ARK and other goodies... using my existing FF/IK mastering chain that I'm comfortable with...Stealth at 16x OS is a healthy hit to my 6 core intel... It's Intersample Limiting is quite lovely and has me all smiles; worth the cpu at the final stage...
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/03 05:57:36 (permalink)
    it's really solid , at first i thought it wasn't but after going in deeper with settings , it shines ....
    intersample is cool for sure ...
     
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    Re: Recommendation for Mastering Software? 2016/01/03 11:40:04 (permalink)
    Every limiter in my collection claims "true peak" detection. None of them do it without some small degree of error. None of them exempt you from the need to leave an appropriate amount of headroom to avoid intersample overs. Most significant, none of them can guarantee that you won't get clipping after MP3 encoding.
     
    Consequently, it's still best practice to leave adequate headroom regardless of what limiter you use - which makes any vendor's claims of superior ISP detection moot.
     
    Now, Ozone does have this cool AAC/MP3 preview feature. What I haven't been able to determine is whether the peak meter can reveal encoder ringing when this feature is engaged. So far I haven't seen any differences in the maximum-peak display when the encoder preview is active, which leads me to suspect the peak meter isn't useful for this. If that's the case, it's a missed opportunity for iZotope. I hope I'm wrong. Anybody tested this?
     
     
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