SilkTone
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Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
I usually build my desktop systems but this time I think I just want to buy a complete system and get it done with. Any recommendations for a good source of cost effective DAW systems? Something in the range of $2000 - $2500.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
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SilkTone
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 12:10:30
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TomHelvey If I were to buy instead of build, I'd probably get one of these: http://www.sweetwater.com/creation_station/
Those look nice but they don't seem to be customizable. I want more than 8GB RAM, an SSD for the OS drive and none of the extra crap they install (iTunes, iLok, LibreOffice etc).
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 12:15:29
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2015/02/18 20:44:19
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 12:18:36
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I had an outfit called Magic Micro build me this: Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H, 16GB (2x8GB) PC10600 DDR3 1333 Dual Channel (2) 1TB Western Digital Blacks, 7200RPM SATA 3 Microsoft Windows 7 Pro 64bit DVD w/SP1 It can take 32 GB ram. Total cost was under 1300.00
michael diemer Intel Quad Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge 32 GB ram 1TB Western Digital Black X2 Microsoft Windows 7 Pro 64 UR22 interface Bandlab Cakewalk/Sonar 8.5 Studio GPO-EWQLSO Gold-Vienna SP ED-Cinematic Strings 2
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SilkTone
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 12:23:53
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I just priced a customized ADK system and it came to exactly $2000.00, lol. Anyone have experience with those? I'll also check out the other suggestions, thanks for those.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 12:24:07
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Mike Fisher You will not go wrong with Jim Roseberry at http://www.studiocat.com/
I still build my own but I agree, If I weren't going to build I would contact Jim. So many great reviews from the forum over the last 10+ years
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SilkTone
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 12:48:06
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From Studio Cat, I get the following: - Case: Silent Mid Tower - Power-Supply: 600w quiet - Haswell CPU: 4790k @ 4.4GHz (8 threads) - RAM: 32GB DDR3/1600 - OS drive: 250GB SSD - Audio drive: 3TB HD - Burner: 24x DVD/RW - Video: GTX-760 (2GB, 4 monitors) - Operating System: Windows 8 x64 For $2030 shipped. Not bad.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 13:28:38
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I bought mine from ADK. Great guys that have been doing this a long, long time. I'll be going back to them when I'm due for an upgrade.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 14:36:03
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I'll second (third?) the Jim Roseberry suggestion. Went with him and couldn't be happier with my DAW.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 15:04:45
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2015/02/18 20:45:44
Yeah I recently bought a Platinum DAW from Jim. Hmm I wonder where he got that name from :) His prices were very close or lower to what I would pay to build an equivalent system myself. And he set it up and tweaked it saving all that time. The system rocks and I havent had a problem with it.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 15:44:53
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If you live near a MicroCenter, they have some great prices. I got my i7 4790K for $250 and the Gigabyte mobo for $99 during the holidays. I got a great deal on 16GB DDR3 2300 from Newegg, and another great deal on a 256GB Toshiba ssd from Best Buy. I think everything including a soundproof NZXT full tower case from Newegg (on special), Corsair water cooling, and donated hard drives from another system was less than $600. If I had to buy the hard drives would have been a $800 build. Shop around for parts and you can still build it yourself for big savings.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 16:10:29
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SilkTone I just priced a customized ADK system and it came to exactly $2000.00, lol. Anyone have experience with those? I'll also check out the other suggestions, thanks for those.
I bought my DAW from ADK about 1 year ago and had no issues at all. I think it's important to note I did a comparison between Sweetwater Creation Stations and Studio Cat before I went with ADK. You nailed it when you said the SW solution wasn't as customizable. I think the thing that pushed me over the edge between ADK and Studio Cat was that Studio Cat is one guy. ADK pointed this out, but I found out for myself that after I asked for a quote, it was quite some time before I heard back. ADK has several techs there and I've never had trouble getting in touch with them. They also helped me rebuild my system from a nasty (did I say nasty?) virus. They do it right and I got them to customize it just how I wanted. Oh, and have fun!
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 17:02:12
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2015/02/18 20:46:02
+1000 for Jim's Platinum towers, I bought one last year and it's a BEAST!
JamesWindows 10, Sonar SPlat (64-bit), Intel i7-4930K, 32GB RAM, RME Babyface, AKAI MPK Mini, Roland A-800 Pro, Focusrite VRM Box, Komplete 10 Ultimate, 2012 American Telecaster!
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 17:06:06
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razor You nailed it when you said the SW solution wasn't as customizable. I think the thing that pushed me over the edge between ADK and Studio Cat was that Studio Cat is one guy. ADK pointed this out, but I found out for myself that after I asked for a quote, it was quite some time before I heard back.
I don't think that's characteristic of Jim though - the times I've called for help I've always heard back from him pretty quick and he always seemed to spend as long as it took on the phone to get the issue sorted. You can tell the guy has a LOT of DAW building experience and truly wants you to get the best advice (even if it means a smaller sale for himself). I think I ended up buying higher specs than he recommended in some cases.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 17:12:15
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I just built my own , I went with an i5 as I could't see needing more with what I do. Anyhow all in all with a new copy of W8.1 it was around $800 Gigabyte Z97X-SOC ATX LGA1150 Z97 DDR3 PCI-E16 PCI-E8 XFIRE/SLI SATA3 USB3 HDMI DVI Motherboard Intel Core i5 I5-4460 Haswell 3.2GHZ Processor LGA1150 6MB Cache Patriot Viper 3 8GB 4X4GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 10-10-10-27 1.5V Dual Channel Memory Kit Black Mamba 16 Gigs RAM Samsung 840 EVO Series MZ-7TE120BW 120GB 2.5in SATA III Internal SSD Single Unit Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM Cooler Master HAF 912 Combat ATX Mid Tower Case Black 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT 4X2. Cooler Master Extreme 2 Power Plus 725W ATX Windows 8.1
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 17:30:25
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I have an ADK Computer, and I highly recommend them, they build great audio computers and have great service techs.
Purrrfect Audio: Intel i7 7700k (Kabylake), 32Gig DDR4/2133, Windows 10x64 Pro, USB RME Babyface, Sonar Platinum Current
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 17:47:20
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☄ Helpfulby rtucker55 2015/02/18 20:47:04
Mike Fisher You will not go wrong with Jim Roseberry at http://www.studiocat.com/
Jim built my system and I'm very happy with it. And he goes above and beyond standing by his work.
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SilkTone
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 18:02:03
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Yea at this point I'm leaning towards the Studio Cat system. The only thing (and this might seem nitpicky) is that I need the dimensions of the tower since it will go into an enclosure specifically built to house the DAW and reduce noise. Even more nitpicky, it should not have vents on the sides since the enclosure will cover them up. With the previous computer that I built I solved that problem by just re-using the previous previous system's case, which the enclosure was originally built for. I'm just waiting for a reply now with the case dimensions.
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 20:12:35
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sharke I don't think that's characteristic of Jim though - the times I've called for help I've always heard back from him pretty quick and he always seemed to spend as long as it took on the phone to get the issue sorted. You can tell the guy has a LOT of DAW building experience and truly wants you to get the best advice (even if it means a smaller sale for himself). I think I ended up buying higher specs than he recommended in some cases.
Here's an interesting story. I ordered my system in December and it arrived on the 24'th via Fedex. Extremely well packed and secure. I was so sure all was ok so I set up the system under my Omnirax desk and wired everything up. Pressed the power button and nothing - no fans spinning up lights or anything. Checked the power cable and different outlets and nothing. I was pretty bummed since I wanted to set it up over the holidays. So I opened the machine and was surprised to see how neat his cabling and work was. I could barely see any wires besides the main cable from the PS. The thing looked like a spaceship with the watercooling system and pipes :) Anyway I tried pushing down the main power connector and made sure the video card etc was seated ok. Everything looked pretty solid so I tried again powering on this time with the case open. Again nothing no lights or anything. Damn... So I decided to call Jim. Its Christmas eve so I didn't expect anyone to be there. Left a voicemail for him. A few minutes later I got a callback and he was very apologetic and asked me to try a few things. We did all the usual tricks of reseating connectors etc but nothing seemed to help. On powering on all I would hear was a faint click and thats it. Then we decided to do a skype call so he could look at the PC remotely. So I held the cam so he could take a look at the inside and advise me what to do. After about 45 minutes of trying everything we came to the conclusion that it was possibly the Power supply that was bad. So he offered to the choice to ship him back the machine, ship me a new PS or reimburse me for the cost of a new one if I could buy it locally. I started looking into where I could get a PS on Christmas eve, and I happened to come across a great article on power supply troubleshooting which showed how you could test it with a fan. While investigating that I began disconnecting some of the connectors from the PS. With most of them disconnected, for kicks I turned on the computer again. To my surprise the PC turned on and fans started and lights on MOBO all activated. Whoa! So I turned it off again and started reconnecting the PS connectors one by one and powering on again. It all worked until I put back one of the connectors when the system went dead again! So I called Jim back with this info and we had another debugging session. Trying to trace that connector. Was hard for me to spot since his cable management was so neat :) Anyway it turned out to be connected to the SSD. I pulled out the SSD power cable and reseated it again and this time everything worked and the system booted up just fine! So it was a faulty connection to the SSD that was somehow causing the PS to not turn on. I guess these newer PS's have some sort of short circuit protection. Somehow in transit via Fedex it must have gotten loose - no fault of Jim's of course. Anyway I was super impressed with his professionalism and desire to help even on a holiday. He spent a good hour and a half troubleshooting this with me. Attached is a pic of my cat inspecting the machine :)
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 20:27:11
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Jim has been very helpful to me as well. I am deeply grateful. Jim talked me down from the original amount I was planning to spend. He gave me support when I modified the machine in ways that hurt the performance. He was always professional and helpful. Mine isn't a Christmas eve story, but it has an equally happy ending.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 21:00:47
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I can't begin to describe how happy I am with the Machine Jim built for me. I remember turning it on the first time and I did not hear anything, I was panicking because I needed to get a machine back in service. Then, I realized that the lights were on and windows was already up on the monitors. The machine is so quiet that I could not hear it actually turn on like my old machine. When he says 'Whisper Quiet' believe it. He is Great to work with and has a special ability for listening and then giving a solid honest answer. I don't think you could go wrong purchasing a machine from Jim and, as a bonus, you get a bunch of the really good bubble wrap to pop. Next time I need a Machine I already know who to call.
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 23:06:56
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I still have one from Jim built in 2009. Yep, it's getting old, but I no real reason to upgrade. I've added a SSD drive along with adding RAM and a stronger video card over the last 6 years. It's still purring and running strong. I've joked with Jim over the years that his machines are too good for his business. I will get the next one from him as well. BTW: He also supports my client's in our integrator business with specialty daws as well. They sing the praises of their machines when I speak with them. It's usually the same story, they can't hear it and are amazed at the power.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/18 23:21:02
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sharke I don't think that's characteristic of Jim though - the times I've called for help I've always heard back from him pretty quick and he always seemed to spend as long as it took on the phone to get the issue sorted. You can tell the guy has a LOT of DAW building experience and truly wants you to get the best advice (even if it means a smaller sale for himself). I think I ended up buying higher specs than he recommended in some cases.
Here's an interesting story. I ordered my system in December and it arrived on the 24'th via Fedex. Extremely well packed and secure. I was so sure all was ok so I set up the system under my Omnirax desk and wired everything up. Pressed the power button and nothing - no fans spinning up lights or anything. Checked the power cable and different outlets and nothing. I was pretty bummed since I wanted to set it up over the holidays. So I opened the machine and was surprised to see how neat his cabling and work was. I could barely see any wires besides the main cable from the PS. The thing looked like a spaceship with the watercooling system and pipes :) Anyway I tried pushing down the main power connector and made sure the video card etc was seated ok. Everything looked pretty solid so I tried again powering on this time with the case open. Again nothing no lights or anything. Damn... So I decided to call Jim. Its Christmas eve so I didn't expect anyone to be there. Left a voicemail for him. A few minutes later I got a callback and he was very apologetic and asked me to try a few things. We did all the usual tricks of reseating connectors etc but nothing seemed to help. On powering on all I would hear was a faint click and thats it. Then we decided to do a skype call so he could look at the PC remotely. So I held the cam so he could take a look at the inside and advise me what to do. After about 45 minutes of trying everything we came to the conclusion that it was possibly the Power supply that was bad. So he offered to the choice to ship him back the machine, ship me a new PS or reimburse me for the cost of a new one if I could buy it locally. I started looking into where I could get a PS on Christmas eve, and I happened to come across a great article on power supply troubleshooting which showed how you could test it with a fan. While investigating that I began disconnecting some of the connectors from the PS. With most of them disconnected, for kicks I turned on the computer again. To my surprise the PC turned on and fans started and lights on MOBO all activated. Whoa! So I turned it off again and started reconnecting the PS connectors one by one and powering on again. It all worked until I put back one of the connectors when the system went dead again! So I called Jim back with this info and we had another debugging session. Trying to trace that connector. Was hard for me to spot since his cable management was so neat :) Anyway it turned out to be connected to the SSD. I pulled out the SSD power cable and reseated it again and this time everything worked and the system booted up just fine! So it was a faulty connection to the SSD that was somehow causing the PS to not turn on. I guess these newer PS's have some sort of short circuit protection. Somehow in transit via Fedex it must have gotten loose - no fault of Jim's of course. Anyway I was super impressed with his professionalism and desire to help even on a holiday. He spent a good hour and a half troubleshooting this with me. Attached is a pic of my cat inspecting the machine :)
Oh there is nothing worse than buying something new and powering up and getting nothing....glad you got it sorted quickly though. You never know what's going to happen to something in transit. I too was very impressed at how neat and tidy everything was inside when I opened it up to put a couple of extra drives in. Mind I was coming from a Dell which was a train wreck inside...
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
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SilkTone Yea at this point I'm leaning towards the Studio Cat system. The only thing (and this might seem nitpicky) is that I need the dimensions of the tower since it will go into an enclosure specifically built to house the DAW and reduce noise. Even more nitpicky, it should not have vents on the sides since the enclosure will cover them up. With the previous computer that I built I solved that problem by just re-using the previous previous system's case, which the enclosure was originally built for. I'm just waiting for a reply now with the case dimensions.
Hi Silk Tone, Check your Email... ;) Thanks for the kind words folks.
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
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I have a Sweetwater Creation Station and it's working out really well for me. I have a two space model, a Focusrite 40 audio interface and a Furman power conditioner in a 4 space rack. It's totally portable. I use it in the studio, take it to gigs, and do remote recording sessions with it. Portability was really important to me, and even though it's a little bigger and heavier than a laptop, it's really nice to have the whole thing in a rack, because it's really easy to set up and is all contained in one nice package. It has enough under the hood to meet my needs, too. I just love it. edit to add that I have to take along a 24 inch tv along as a monitor when I'm out of the studio. edited again to acknowledge the OP was asking about Desktop systems... sorry, bout that.
post edited by harmony gardens - 2015/02/20 00:26:16
Sonar X3/ Sweetwater Creation Station Computer 16 gb/ Windows 7 64 bit/
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
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I ended up ordering a nicely loaded system for $2089 (inc shipping) from Jim: Pro Studio DAW - Case: Silent Mid Tower - Power-Supply: 600w quiet - Haswell CPU: 4790k @ 4.4GHz (8 threads) - RAM: 32GB DDR3/1600 - OS drive: 500GB SSD - Audio drive: 3TB HD - Burner: 24x DVD/RW - Video: GTX-960 (2GB, 4 monitors) - Operating System: Windows 8 x64 This system should last me a few years Jim was very helpful in answering my questions, thanks Jim!
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/20 11:55:02
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SilkTone I just priced a customized ADK system and it came to exactly $2000.00, lol. Anyone have experience with those? I'll also check out the other suggestions, thanks for those.
I bought an ADK computer (see specs below) and have had very good luck with it. The support is second to none. Walt
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
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SilkTone I just priced a customized ADK system and it came to exactly $2000.00, lol. Anyone have experience with those? I'll also check out the other suggestions, thanks for those.
I stopped in here because I'm due for a new DAW and am researching things but would like to comment on Silk Tone's post. My current DAW I purchased from ADK seven years ago. Their lifetime tech support is incredible. I am not a computer tech myself but with their tech support I have diagnosed and repaired all problems myself as they talked me through them. There have been many over the last 7 years. So far I have replaced: Power Supply Motherboard Fans Memory Hard Drive Video Card Optical Drive I don't know a lot about computers and it seems like I've had to replace most of the major elements in mine however I push my DAW hard so I don't think it's unusual for these things to eventually burn out and need replacing. My current machine from ADK has lasted far longer than any previous ones, which were all HP computers. As I mentioned before ADK tech support is incredible and they truly do honor their lifetime tech support claim. I think 7 years is a pretty good run for a DAW but only possible because they walked me through the diagnosing and repair. I would buy from them again but of course I'm shopping around in an attempt to find a better deal. My only concern is that other companies may not offer the same great tech support as ADK has supplied to me. I'm glad someone started this thread because I was going to ask the same questions. Pete
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Re: Recommendations for a new desktop DAW system?
2015/02/26 20:17:15
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Just my 2 cents.... I have bought my last 2 DAWs from ADK. From frequenting the CW forums, I kept hearing stuff about some guy Jim Rosenburg or something.... so I googled him and found out his name was really Jim Roseberry (sorry about that Jimbo). Anyway, there is a new Platinum system in route to me here in NC (we got snow today so nothing). Should be here tomorrow. Based on all the good press, I expect nothing but perfection or at least, professional follow up. I think ADK is fantastic too, I just wanted to try another avenue for this build. Jim
The Lamb Laid Down on MIDI www.lldom.com Studio Cat Custom i7 with Thunderbolt (wonderful system built and configured by our own Jim R) Apollo Duo (via TB) UAD Quad UAD Duo WIN 8.1 x64 with 32 GB Ram 4 SSD for programs and sample libraries Splat (latest version)
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