DRanck
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Record automation lanes
I've searched the forums and the manual but can't seem to find the answer to this one:
How can I record MIDi CC data directly into an automation lane from a midi controller without recording it into the clip?
I've just started using a touch pad controller for record CC1 and CC11 while recording midi tracks. The controller data ends up in both the track and the envelope. I end up having to always convert the CC data into an envelope. I must be missing something. Does anyone know how I can record the CC data into the envelope only?
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/09 11:27:24
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Automation lanes are a subset of the track. I don't quite understand what it is you want to accomplish, or what the problem is...if you could describe what it is you want to accomplish and why it's necessary not to have the automation in a clip, then there's probably some workaround you could do. For example, you could record into two tracks, and delete the notes in one and the controllers in the other.
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/09 14:08:08
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Not sure I'm following either. If you record cc data into a track it is by definition going to end up in a lane and clip. You can record into a specific lane by arming that specific lane. But it still ends up in a track and a clip.
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DRanck
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/09 17:59:43
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Sorry, I'm having trouble explaining. I really appreciate the responses! When you record CC data it is recorded as MIDI data and is visible at the bottom of the Piano Roll. It is also overlaid on the clips as a series of controller messages.  Automation lanes can be shown below the track. The controller data in these lanes is separate from the messages in the PRV and clip. If you add an envelope after having recorded CC data, the envelope and the CC data in the track (Clip) will conflict. They are stored separately.  You can convert controller data to envelopes on the clip menu.  I want to record directly into the envelope and not have to convert the data stored in the track (clip). Does that help explain it better? Thanks again. Dave
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/10 17:56:02
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I don't think you can. You can record the cc data into a take lane but not into a chosen automation lane. You need to convert the cc data as you have been apparently.
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/10 18:04:26
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I Believe it is possible to record CC data into an automation lane using remote control but if the MIDI track is recording, the CC data will also record in the take lane.
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/10 20:26:58
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Thanks Karl and scook! I believe you've nailed it. The other thing I didn't mention is that I want to record 2 CC messages at the same time (i.e. CC1 and CC11). I'll just continue on and record into the track and convert to autmation for tweaking.
Thanks again!
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/10 20:45:54
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I notice you appended a request to a generic thread in the features & ideas forum. You may get a better response by creating a separate request in that forum.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 12:13:12
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I've just had a play around with this again and I can't seem to get CC data recorded into an automation lane at all. I can record it into a take lane, and I can record automation into an automation lane but the only way I can record CC data is into a controller lane and then convert it to automation data.
I've had a good look around the settings but can see anything that would seem to relate to recording CC into an automation lane. Steve, am I missing a setting or something somewhere, that might save me some time i the future?
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 12:21:23
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I should add that I am referring to record the data in real time from an external synth/controller not from Sonar's UI.
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 12:30:53
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Here is how I recorded the mod wheel in a MIDI track automation lane. - Add MIDI track
- Open the MIDI track automation lane
- Open the MIDI Envelop dialog in the automation lane. The dialog will open with Type=Control, Value=1 - Modulation and Channel=1. Hit enter to set the automation lane to the mod wheel.
- Right-click the automation lane fader area and select Remote Control
- In the Remote Control dialog, click the Controller radio button and set value to 1 or use the Learn button.
- Now the automation lane should respond to the mod wheel. When recording the mod wheel activity is recorded in both the track and automation lane.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 12:51:32
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Got it thanks Steve. I was assuming that if I set the lane to a CC and armed that for record it would correspond to that incoming CC which obviously it doesn't. Didn't think of using remote control TBH.
Anyway thanks again.More time saved.
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 13:08:12
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Ok. Apologies to the OP for hijacking the thread but....now I've learned to save myself the time of converting data my joy maybe short lived.....
Steve (or anyone else) is there a way to stop the cc data being recorded into the PRV controller lanes? Now the CC data is in a lane, but it's also in the PRV controller lanes. If I manually edit the automation lane after the event the PRV lane is unaffected and over rides the edits or vice versa.
I can of course delete the PRV controller lane manually but I might as well go back to the "convert" method which does the deletion for me. Any ideas?
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 13:23:13
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I have not found a way to prevent the MIDI track from recording the CC data.
A fast way to delete all control data from the MIDI track would be a CAL script bound to a shortcut:
(forEachEvent (if (== Event.Kind CONTROL) (delete)))
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 13:28:00
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Thanks again. That may save some time at least. It seems a little bizarre that the two sets of recorded data aren't apparently linked in anyway. i.e. completely independent even though they originated from a common source.
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 13:34:59
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 13:55:52
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Yes I've seen that. It just seems strange that automation of a CC should be different to the CC itself. I can't think of a useful scenario where I'd want them to be different.
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 14:06:35
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Maybe it was easier to implement.
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DRanck
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Re: Record automation lanes
2014/11/12 19:41:08
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Thanks for looking into this. Now I know I'm not crazy, well at least not in this area.
I'd like to be able to record into 2 automation lanes at once too. Take some of the EW Hollywood strings for example. They use CC1 for vibrato and CC11 for expression (volume). Using an X-Y controller I can get great expressive control by manipulating both CCs at the same time. I just wish it was saved in the automation lanes.
Thanks again for your help!
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