Recording Gods Hate Me

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2012/12/11 13:34:06 (permalink)

Recording Gods Hate Me

Please help. I've just finished reviewing my EP in the car/home stereo, etc. I'm satisfied with 4 of the 5 songs. One song's volume is a bit too high so I reduce this just a bit. That's all I do to it. Now I export the wave file as usual, put the 5 songs on a CD and listen. All's going well until I get to the end of the song I adjusted the volume on. Now, all of a sudden, my Superior Drummer drops out at a key location (solo drums). I go back to the tracks and the song has no problems. It's only on CD. I redo the song 2 more times, all with the same result. I then freeze the drum track and discover the track now reveals where the drop outs are. When I unfreeze the tracks, the drums play fine. When I export the tracks, the drum track has the same drop outs where the "frozen" track had them. It's like I'm recording a frozen track but I'm not. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!

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    robert_e_bone
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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 14:39:42 (permalink)
    Get a different drummer?  Sorry - have no idea what is causing that.

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 14:44:03 (permalink)
    I have no idea how SD works, but in BFD2, there is a setting which you must switch in prior to exporting/bouncing - it's referred to as the 'offline' button.

    Could SD have something similar to this?

    I know if I forget to engage this, BFD2 will definitely drop out.

    Also check your Midi prepare buffers - you might be getting Midi bottlenecks - whatever they are currently set to, double it and try again

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 14:55:25 (permalink)
    I have not seen this so can only speculate on things - like either ensuring only tracks you want are selected for export, check the export settings, or try bouning that track (save as a new file when messing around). If this is only in the drum track, can also save as a new file and delete all tracks but the drums to try and isolate why and copy/paste into the new file. Again, keep the original file when testing things so you do not lose where you are now. I will often bounce tracks rather than using the export feature just out of habit.
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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 15:04:24 (permalink)
    I appreciate the ideas, folks. As I thought about all this (after I calmed down :-)) I believe this problem has to do with an artifact. Somewhere along the line I must have frozen this particular track and now this artifact has come back to haunt me. It's really frustrating--the song plays perfectly in Sonar but when recording to a CD the frozen track keeps coming back. Weird! Does anyone know how to get rid of an artifact? Thanks!

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 15:51:34 (permalink)
    If it is playing fine unfrozen can't you just export it without the freeze? Maybe I'm missing something. Also I agree maybe bouncing the track to audio (in a new project of course so you don't lose the old one) might get around it.
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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 15:58:40 (permalink)
    Hi Beepster, That's the problem--I am exporting the track without the freeze yet it still seems to be there. Yikes@!

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 16:02:17 (permalink)
        How about this... if the first export you did worked but the volume was just a little high on the one track why don't you take the original stereo export of the song, toss it into a new session and adjust the level there. Or is it a bad mix you are trying to fix?   
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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 16:07:28 (permalink)
    In fact even though X1/2 are supposed to allow you to master in the original project IMO it's always best to toss the mixdowns into a mastering session anyway. Helps with stuff like this and gives you a chance to make it all extra slick VIA the fancier EQs and compressors and crap. I never use my first mixdown. 

    Maybe I'm just old... or OCD... or both... but I like doing it that way. Cheers.
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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 16:27:23 (permalink)
    Latest patch of superior drummer installed?

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 18:49:09 (permalink)
    Did you have automation on the drum tracks?

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 18:52:34 (permalink)
    Beepster


    In fact even though X1/2 are supposed to allow you to master in the original project IMO it's always best to toss the mixdowns into a mastering session anyway. Helps with stuff like this and gives you a chance to make it all extra slick VIA the fancier EQs and compressors and crap. I never use my first mixdown. 

    Maybe I'm just old... or OCD... or both... but I like doing it that way. Cheers.


    It could be because you are old and that would apply to me too. Thus maybe we don't have these problems because we are old and wise.

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 19:23:47 (permalink)
    Or just old.

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 19:31:21 (permalink)
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    Or just old.


    And we can't hear that the drums have dropped out..

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 20:03:37 (permalink)
    WHAT?

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 20:16:33 (permalink)
    I said "We can't, can't ...  something... What are you doing in my living room?  This isn't my living room..  NURSE!!"

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 20:52:11 (permalink)
    THORAZINE PARTY!! WOOT!!
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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/11 23:36:48 (permalink)
    Try this: go into SD and select 16-bit samples and freeze the drums. If the dropouts disappear, it's possible you were just running out of memory. Put SD back into 24-bit mode (btw, I usually just use 16-bit samples all the time - I can't tell the difference), click the Cache button and play the song one time through. Then freeze. That'll purge all the unused samples from RAM before the bounce.


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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/12 00:27:31 (permalink)
    I had this problem in a simple 3 track test I was doing one time.

    1 bass, 1 guitar, 1 instance of SD3.

    The track played fine, but when I froze it, or exported the project, some of the hi-hat parts were missing. Just gone, even though they were present during playback.

    The only way I could resolve it was by doing a real time export. I started this project in 8.5, and to this day, right on up to X2, if I open it and try to export it, the same midi notes are silent, yet I hear them during playback.

    Unfortunately, sometimes things just get corrupted.

    Good luck.

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/12 03:55:08 (permalink)
    Have you tried doing an audible Export?

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/12 09:02:48 (permalink)
    Have you sacrificed a virgin to the recording gods lately....
     
     

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/12 10:55:09 (permalink)
    Maybe some background Windows service is interfering in some bizarre way?  Just grasping here - maybe as someone else had posted, try knocking out a bunch of services, such as antivirus, and such.

    I wish I had something better to offer than the technical equivalent to  the Wile E Coyote umbrella over the head thing to stop the rock from landing on my head - sorry.

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/12 19:45:56 (permalink)
    Hi Everyone, Thanks very much for all the suggestions. I checked them out but didn't have much success. After 30+ years in the Army I've learned a few sayings. One of the most useful is, "Sierra Hotel" which means "s*** happens". When something happens which makes no sense you say S.H. and continue on the best you can. I think this is a case of "Sierra Hotel". I went back to the drawing board and copy/pasted an older version of the drum track. All's OK now. I think this event is just the result of a software bug that doesn't happen very often (thankfully!). Cheers! Mike

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    Re:Recording Gods Hate Me 2012/12/13 11:17:49 (permalink)
    I spoke to God and he does indeed hate you, but said he has not been interfering in this case.

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