bodhi65
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Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
Hi,
I have a Korg Triton Extreme that produces some great mutli-instrument combinations. Presently, I can record the Triton combination to a single midi file. I then play the midi file and record the playback through the Korg to a single audio track. This gives me all the combination tracks recorded to a single wave file. I am now severly limited in my mixing and editing capabilities.
Ideally, I would like to record the combination tracks from the Korg to multiple midi files in Sonar to give me more control over mixing and editing. After I record the combination midi tracks , I want to record more instrument tracks with the Korg over the combination, so I have to convert the midi combination tracks to audio files before I can start layering in some more tracks from the Korg.
Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Alan
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daveny5
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 09:28:19
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I don't think you understand what MIDI tracks are. They are not audio recordings. They are just instructions that tell the synth what to play. You could use the MIDI track to play the Triton and record the output on an audio track. Then you could do the same thing to a different audio track with a different sound selected and build up layers like that. It will be the same notes from the MIDI track though. That's how it works.
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 11:21:05
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Assign each instrument in the combination to a separate MIDI channel. Then, create as many channels as you need in the track view, each corresponding to the the MIDI track numbers in your combination, and you'll have separate control over volume, program changes, and panning. Each instrument can have its own set of f/x assigned to them through your synth. In the future, you can create a template in Sonar with all the MIDI channels you'll likely use, and as you create new combinations it will take just moments to assign numbers to the separate instruments.
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dlbachtell
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 11:36:43
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If I understand correctly what you're trying to do, the simplest way would be to copy the combi to the internal sequencer. In "seq" mode, pull down the menu and select "copy from combi". The programs in the combi will then be assigned to either tracks 1-8 or 9-16. You could then manipulate the MIDI channels. Placing the Triton in sequencer mode is the only way to get true multi-timbrality and MIDI channels on the Korg.
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Lynn
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 12:27:14
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dlbachtell
If I understand correctly what you're trying to do, the simplest way would be to copy the combi to the internal sequencer. In "seq" mode, pull down the menu and select "copy from combi". The programs in the combi will then be assigned to either tracks 1-8 or 9-16. You could then manipulate the MIDI channels. Placing the Triton in sequencer mode is the only way to get true multi-timbrality and MIDI channels on the Korg.
It can be done this way, but I believe the method I described above saves time in the long run and allows Sonar to be the master controller. It also allow for true multi-timbrality without involving the Korg sequencer.
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bodhi65
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 12:47:12
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Thank you, I think you guys know exactly what I am trying to do. As always I appreciate your sharing your expertise with a novice sucha as myself. Love this forum!!!
BTW, I checked out Lynn's youtube. Great work, great song!
Thanks again
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bodhi65
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 12:47:13
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Thank you, I think you guys know exactly what I am trying to do. As always I appreciate your sharing your expertise with a novice sucha as myself. Love this forum!!!
BTW, I checked out Lynn's youtube. Great work, great song!
Thanks again
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Lynn
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 12:51:03
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bodhi65
Thank you, I think you guys know exactly what I am trying to do. As always I appreciate your sharing your expertise with a novice sucha as myself. Love this forum!!!
BTW, I checked out Lynn's youtube. Great work, great song!
Thanks again
Many thanks, and I hope to hear something from you in the future.
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bodhi65
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 19:05:48
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I tried both of these methods but when I change the midi channels on the triton, the combi only plays back a single track, not the whole recorded combi. I can record an entire combi or song if it remains on the midi channels the Triton automatically selects, but then I can only record the entire song on one midi track in Sonar. My goal is to record the combi on several different tracks in Sonar, each track representing one of the instruments that make up the combi.
Also, I cant seem to get Sonar to record individual midi channels when I change the input to the specific Triton midi channel. I palyed with this for about three hours, reading the Triton manuel as I played. I guess Ill take a break and try again tomorrow. It seems so logical and straight forward but I am obviously doing somethings wrong. Thanks again for your help.
Alan
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 21:10:01
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We have an aging Triton here and it has a “combi” mode. We have it patched in as a stereo device but I see 4 individual outputs back there.
Just a thought.
If you have your MIDI track written to your DAW, why can’t you run the sequence and just turn the individual voices within the Triton’s patch from “INT” etc. to “OFF” with the exception of (i.e.) Voice1, 2, 3, 4-8 and record 1 part at a time to audio? It means a few more passes but really it’s a babysitting gig if the sequence exists as MIDI data.
The other option is to check the routing assignments. Perhaps there is an internal patch bay in the later models? (Our Triton’s OS is on a floppy! We still use it from time to time when we need a '90s rave monster, but I confess to never reading the manuals that came with it as it was inherited when I took over this studio.)
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/19 22:26:25
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Combi mode is not the same as Multi-mode. Multi-mode is the General MIDI mode that can play 128 different patches on 16 channels. Combi-mode only allows one patch at a time.
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/20 07:08:49
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Try this: copy the combi to the first 8 tracks of the Triton's sequencer. With the Triton in "Seq" mode, record your track in Sonar. When finished, copy the recorded track to the next seven tracks and assign them to MIDI channels 2-8. On the Triton, change the MIDI channels of tracks 2-8 to match. When you play the sequence from Sonar, you should now have control over the individual programs in the combi.
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/20 09:59:06
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bodhi65
I tried both of these methods but when I change the midi channels on the triton, the combi only plays back a single track, not the whole recorded combi. I can record an entire combi or song if it remains on the midi channels the Triton automatically selects, but then I can only record the entire song on one midi track in Sonar. My goal is to record the combi on several different tracks in Sonar, each track representing one of the instruments that make up the combi.
Also, I cant seem to get Sonar to record individual midi channels when I change the input to the specific Triton midi channel. I palyed with this for about three hours, reading the Triton manuel as I played. I guess Ill take a break and try again tomorrow. It seems so logical and straight forward but I am obviously doing somethings wrong. Thanks again for your help.
Alan
I forgot to tell you an important step. In global mode under the MIDI menu, set the synth to a particular MIDI channel that's not being used by an instrument. In Sonar, set up a MIDI channel using that MIDI number and use the combination number in the channel change box to correspond to the combi on your synth. When you open that project, the synth will automatically open the correct combination and have total control over all the instruments in the combination. Hope this helps.
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bodhi65
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/20 10:56:29
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Thanks again I will try all of these suggestions. Someone from the Triton forum suggested this:
"What you gotta do is copy a combi to SEQ mode. Then go to Page 3 in Seq mode and set each track to a different channel.
Then in Sonar, you can either set up each track to call up the appropriate program, or leave each program blank so no program change messages get sent when you start the sequence.
From there, you can toggle the MIDI Echo button (next to MSR buttons) in all of the tracks so when you press one key, all of the channels respond. To make this easier, you can actually move all the tracks in Sonar to a Track Folder, and just by pressing that button on the one channel will set them all to echo. When you want to edit an individual track, you have to turn the echo OFF on all the other channels. It works pretty well, I've used it a number of times."
Iam making it my mission to figure this out on my DAW tonight. Wish me luck.
Alan
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/20 11:14:46
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If I am remembering correctly my Triton classic has two stereo main outputs and 4 individual outs. A combi will allow you to have up to 8 individual patches per combi. You can continue to work with the MIDI file as you described in the original post but set the outputs of each patch in the combi to the audio outputs on the Triton (Main L/R, 1,2,3,4). This will allow you to record more than one audio output at a time giving you the flexability to mix to your needs within Sonar. This is if you are after the audio from the Triton.
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Re:Recording Korg Triton xtreme combis to multiple tracks?
2011/05/21 18:03:02
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I appreciate all your advise, and I used bits and pieces of all of it to figure out a solution, even though I'm sure its not the ideal solution.
1. Korg Triton Extreme in combi mode
2. Page 2 menu- change tracknumbers for each of the 8 tracks that make up the combi
3. Arm Track in Sonar
4.Turn on Input Echo
5.Change input to Midi VS-100
6.Change Output to Korg Triton Extreme
7. Change channel in midi tracks to correspond to track changes on Page 2 of Korg menu
This allowed me to hear the combination as I played it and record the different instrument tracks onto separate midi tracks in Sonar. Now I can adjust the pan, velocity, volume for each track of the combination. Next step, which I have not tried yet, is to counce the separate midi tracks to Audio tracks so I can continue to hear the playback of the combination and add new track layers from the Korg to the project. Wish e luck.
Once again, you guys on this forum rock.
Thanks,
Alan
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