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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/17 18:43:27
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Sonar can show peak and RMS at the same time.
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/18 17:20:08
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And it has mixing and mastering tools too
(so my little pea brain has been told)
Why is it not the industry standard?
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/18 18:42:16
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I bapu
Why is it not the industry standard?
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/18 19:10:48
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I still use the Offline to check files & folders. IIRC developed by Brainworx.
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/18 19:12:30
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Is that a beaver pelt on his head? Good info though....
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/18 20:06:16
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cclarry
Thought this guy did a nice job of explaining this so thought I would repost it here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC3tvdoVZb8
You can get the Dynamic Range Meter he uses in the video here for free..
http://www.pleasurizemusic.com/es/es/download#menu
for the novice (and seasoned Pro alike) this is good information so thought I would share...
Some of it is a little bit dubious - for instance I would argue that the supposed "sweet spot" for 24bit converters is realistically "anywhere you aren't clipping", but he seems to be implying that a simple calibration level is somehow sonically significant for some unknown reason (or does ProTools not have any trim controls?). And the zero spot on a fader doesn't necessarily indicate the dbFS value for a very good reason - because it indicates the amount of gain change you are applying (because that's what a fader does). It sounds to me like a case where someone is trying to imply that there are technical advantages for doing something in a consistent and predictable way when there really aren't any. This only muddies the water and invites unnecessary criticism and technical debate - unnecessary because doing something in a consistent and predictable way is reason enough and doesn't need the dubious technical arguments. IOW, it's sometimes useful to do things in a particular way for practical workflow advantages not technical ones.
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/18 20:54:39
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I have explained all this many times and well before this guy with the K System posts I have done. -18 is a good ref for sure but I can see why -20 is actually better. It is aligned to the film score reference of -20 and also you get 20 db of peak headroom which is 2 db better then -18 dB. And if you are making -20 dB equal to 85 dB SPL in the room then the music can get as loud as 105dB. Fun. Also I like the K system approach of 3 ref levels. And -14 is great too. Because you can recalibrate your system and just be creating a louder rms wave the whole time from the start tracking right through to final mix. 3 Ref levels are better than one. When you work at -14 you are already pretty loud rms wise and you have less to add in mastering to achieve a very loud master later. -12 is also an interesting level to work at too. RMS meters in standard DAW's are not so good because they are indicating something low on a scale. A dB or two variation is not easily seen. On a VU at the 0 dB mark such a small deviation is clearly visible. You need a VU meter that is hitting 0dB Vu when the ref level is being played back. And better still a VU that matches the ballistics of a real one. There is so much information contained in how the VU moves around. I have got my computer monitor sitting directly on top of my hardware VU meter display. I can put the VST's at the bottom of the screen and see all of them at once. The Klanghelm meters are still a winner for me. The Klanghelm meters rise and fall the same way the real ones do. http://www.klanghelm.com/VUMT.html PSP has released a nice looking VU meter VST. http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/tools_and_meters/psp_2meters/ The PSP rises the same but does not fall quite the same as the real meter. I have spent some time trying to get them to match. I may need to spend some more time to fine tune. They can all be calibrated for any ref level and there are many parameters you can tweak which effect how they behave and move.
post edited by Jeff Evans - 2013/08/19 05:17:10
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/18 23:32:56
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Probably best in the techniques forum? It's best to pick a song that you like (the mix and the dynamics) and then try to emulate it.
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/19 12:28:26
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That guy comes off as an arrogant prick. He knows what he's talking about but even so, he needs to get over himself.
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/19 13:45:39
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I enjoy his videos and his efforts to keep stuff light and fun. Plus, the grammy for the Toots and the Maytals record seems impressive.
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/19 13:59:35
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Heh Heh.
McQ said toots.
I'm sure he thought of Mooch when he said it.
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/19 14:01:45
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2013/08/19 14:12:48
Guitarpima
That guy comes off as an arrogant prick.
Who among us hasn't?
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/19 14:12:42
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bapu
Guitarpima
That guy comes off as an arrogant prick.
Who among us hasn't?
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/19 17:35:52
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Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/25 14:37:16
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/25 15:14:58
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Jr, I like the size of this meter...and the features...especially for free... the Dynamic Range in the center is useful also...hence the name.. I have T-Racks metering also...but this one is just more "there" for me... To me, that is one of the great shortfalls of X2, the metering isn't great... (ducks and covers for flying fanboi debris....) I don't know about the metering in Ozone 5...I did the demo awhile ago and don't remember the metering that well... This one seems fairly accurate...and for FREE...it's GREAT!!! Cubase finally incorporated a nice Metering system in V7 I don't know why these DAW's are so slow in implementing NEEDED things like this, and FAST at getting "fluff" out...I guess because "fluff" sells product... I have several others...but have started using this one... I'm old and this one I can see really well...  I just wish it were 64 bit...
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/25 15:29:59
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/25 16:08:38
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Re: Recording Levels....
2013/08/25 16:48:35
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carl
There this one too, haven't used it a while but I see there's now a x64 'experimental' version.
http://code.mzuther.de/kmeter/
Yep..I have that one too...If it goes 64 bit and they update the interface I might switch back... Still a good meter...especially for free... These guys do a SUCH A TREMENDOUS favor to US with the "freebies" It's smart on their part, because, if it's good, you should be willing to help them out, or upgrade to a paid version, if one exists... Many of them just do it for the love the art...and that says a lot to me...about them... All in all..you can do just about anything you want decently just with the available "freebies"....not as well as with the big boys per se... but just about as well, if you've got the ear for it....I've heard some pretty amazing mixes with just "FREE" plugins...IJS...so you don't REALLY have to spend an arm and a leg to get into this....
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