BMOG
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Recording Live Drums
I am in need of recording a drumset but I only have an interface with 2 inputs, is there a way around buying a new interface with at least 8 inputs? Is there such a device that is just inputs and I can some way still use my Motu Ultralike 3 to do the recordings? I could use my mixer to do it but that still only gives me two channels at the most
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:13:18
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You can buy pre-amp with 8 mic pres, that has the same digital ins and outs as your sound card. You can use a mixer, if your mixer has mic preamps and then you can use the line ins of your sound card. This will give you 10 inputs (2 mic pres and 8 line ins). Im sure your motu has line ins Cj
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daveny5
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:21:13
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Yeah, but he still can only record 2 tracks at a time with that soundcard. You could get an audio interface with 8 inputs, but then you'll need 8 microphones or pickups to record each drum individually. Is it really necessary for you to record each drum and cymbal on a separate track?
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BMOG
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:24:09
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I have studied and research mixing drums and the best results have been when each drum or cymbal can have it's own input. In using session drummer 3 I have every instrument on a track and that comes well so I wanted to keep the same line of thought. I spoke to a guy at the guitar center and he suggested this http://www.guitarcenter.com/PreSonus-FireStudio-Project-Recording-Interface-241723-i1485101.gc?&source=4WWRWXGP&cagpspn=pla&= Can X1 support two interfaces at the same time? daveny5 Yeah, but he still can only record 2 tracks at a time with that soundcard. You could get an audio interface with 8 inputs, but then you'll need 8 microphones or pickups to record each drum individually. Is it really necessary for you to record each drum and cymbal on a separate track?
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:27:15
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Just curious if this is a one-time set-up, or if you are setting up a semi-permanent drum room in your studio. Doesn't change your question, except that you would probably be willing to invest more if this were a permanent set-up. I would think the mic cost would dwarf the interface/sound card cost.
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dahjah
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:32:48
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If it's not a permanent set up maybe you can rent what u need for the session.
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:33:39
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@daveny... It looks like it has a total of 8 analog ins (two multi ins and six line ins). http://www.motu.com/produ...ultralite-mk3/i-o.html BMOG, if that is indeed the correct interface you can do as CJay says and get a mic pre with line outs or use a mixer with 8 mic pres and dedicated line outs. You should be able to rent one of those items if this is only a one of recording.
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:37:07
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You might be able to rent mics too but there are lots of semi decent drum mic kits you can pic up for pretty cheap. I've got a Samson kit that does the job and I think they are selling for a few hundred bucks. It's not the greatest but it covers a whole kit (including three toms and two overhead condensors... it even has a pencil condensor for hi-hats). You may however want to spend a little extra on the kick, snare and overhead mics.
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BMOG
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:39:10
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Here is my situation I was approached this morning by a Bass Player who wants me to record and engineer his project and he stated that some songs he will want live drums. This will be more of a permanent setup for me. I like the idea of using a pre-amps and using the lines out to go into my Motu. I need suggestions on some pre-amps to research please?
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:44:04
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Focusrite has very nice sounding pres and they are fairly priced. You might want to look at the MOTU stuff as well but that will be more expensive. It's a shame your unit doesn't have an optical in. It would make things easier. I actually find it odd that it doesn't. I thought MOTU was all over that kind of thing.
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Beepster
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 13:55:08
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BTW... recording drums is a PITA. You should try to spend as much time trying things out and reading up on the process before bringing in any clients or whatever. If you have any buddies who play drums bribe them with beer to come over and hammer away on the kit while you wrap your head around how things work. It's a lot harder to fiddle with that kind of thing by yourself... especially if you aren't a drummer.
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bapu
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 21:01:02
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LOL Beeps. I've yet to meet a drummer who knew how to record drums, if that's what you meant.
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Cactus Music
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 21:31:53
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Don't let anybody discourage you from recording real drums, These guy's round here are in love with those canned drums but me, if I can (sucker) talk a real drummer into playing on my songs I'll go for it. It will always sound better,, ( then you go back and replace the drums with samples using audio snap ha ha) It is a bit of a learning curve but if you bone up on a few good techniques it can be amazingly easy. Keep it simple, I'd start with Kick, Snare and 2 matching overheads and see what happens. Basicly if the drums sound good in the room, and you place those overheads correctly, all will be good. You really do need the Kick and Snare separate, next would be Hats. Adding more mikes just adds more leakage and phase issues. Yes it is a good idea to have each drum separate, but you will need better equipment and take more time to get it right. So you could get by with a 4 channel audio interface. If you do want the big channel count then grab a Tascam us1800 for $300. They are perfect for recording drums. Nothing else is even close at that price once you get more than 4 channels. You cannot use 2 interfaces at the same time with ASIO drivers.
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Beepster
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 21:36:54
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@bapu... oof, don't get me started on drummers. I've only had the pleasure of working with one competent, sane and reliable drummer in my whole 20 years of playing. And just like having the hottest girlfriend in the bar everyone is always trying to steal them away from you. :-/
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bapu
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 21:37:15
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Cactus Music if I can (sucker) talk a real drummer into playing on my songs I go for it. It will always sound better,, ( then you go back and replace them..... ha ha) Exactly what I did on two CHB songs. I happen to use drumagog.
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bapu
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 21:38:24
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Beepster @bapu... oof, don't get me started on drummers. I've only had the pleasure of working with one competent, sane and reliable drummer in my whole 20 years of playing. And just like having the hottest girlfriend in the bar everyone is always trying to steal them away from you. :-/ So where is this guy? I'd like to meet him. Oh BTW, I lied. Dave (Quantumeffect) from The CHB knows what he's doing.
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Beepster
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 21:40:44
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HE'S MINE!!! GET OUTTA HERE!!! *swings wildly*
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 22:18:37
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What mixer are you using? Im kind of lost on why you cant break it out/down. Are you doing the drums along with the band at once or doing the drum recording after the fact?
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 22:19:01
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I'm with Cactus on this one. I love recording live drums. I would go with Kick, Snare, 2-OH's then I would mic up the toms next. Play with placement but be sure to Watch the phase on the OH's and all should be well. Rocky
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digi2ns
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 22:27:27
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+1 bluz What mic's are ya looking at using BMOG? I use Audix I5 on snare AKG D112 on kick and floor toms 2-C02's for overheads and if I want to break out the toms I throw Shure 56's on them Shouldnt have any probs coming out if your board into your MOTU to achieve what your looking to do I would think, UNLESS you are catching the entire band and bringing in drums on just 2 inputs. If this is the case, re-record the drums after the song is captured then mute/delete the original drum tracks.
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/11 22:32:32
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Our town is so hurtin' for drummers that they actually let me play in a band once! Our drummer moved away last winter. So we are on the bum again, We steal this amazing guy Mike but he is also in 2 other bands. The way he does it, is the first band to call him and book a payed gig gets his 100% commitment. He will come do recording with me if I supply the drums, and beer. He loves to play and he is very supportive of my originals. I don't need to edit his playing ever. But I will replace the kick sometimes.
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Re:Recording Live Drums
2012/09/12 15:38:37
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I had purchased a Tascam us1800 and could not get ot to work correctly. Tried for a week then decided to return it. Got a mackie blackbird. $500, awesome mic pre s plus it has ADAT lightpipe ins outs. As far as recording drums go. I get stuck in this mindset that I have to mic every drum and have overheads. I spend a lot of time placing mics and mixing. Then I go back and listen to recordings where I just threw down a kick mic, snare mic and 2 overheads. Spent 5 mins placing mics and off to recording. And am frustrated to say they sound pretty dang good! Seems like the more mics you place you need to have more skill to place and mix in the end. More editing or gating to rid crosstalk bla bla bla. I agree with cactus on this one. Would much rather have a great live drum performace with only 4 mics then have a canned drum track that sounds great but is not "humanized".
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