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Recording - Mixing Guitars

I seem to be getting good results with mixing however I am just not satisfied with how the guitars sound in my mixes. They just don't "POP" out or stand out, I don't want to say muddy, but kinda "blah". Any suggestions of what I could do to get them out front and "pop"?

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 14:30:09 (permalink)
    Id put them on Sound Cloud so we can here what exactly you are describing.

    Many good ears here LOL

    One thing that comes to mind off hand is using EQ to get more presence but have to hear it


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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 14:33:32 (permalink)
    I'd say revisit that guitar thread you posted a while back and play around with some more of the suggestions in there. That really was a great thread with lots of slick approaches. There were so many varying methods suggested I'm sure something will work.

    I think I have it bookmarked if you need it.

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 15:11:47 (permalink)
    Beepster: That is what I have been doing. I did see some results, however, I lesten to other recordings and I just can't seem to get the out front.  I will post online in a bit so you guys can hear. Maybe that will help

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 15:20:13 (permalink)
    Right on. Posting your input method(s) and what you've tried so far will help too. I may not be of much use but I can try. Hopefully you can attract Mr. Danzi to the thread. He'll know what to do.

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 15:29:48 (permalink)
    Ok, I have posted this so you guys can offer suggestions to make it sound better, I am posting the link here cuz i was requested to by digi2ns. So I am not trying to post in the wrong forum.  Also, I have not discovered anything new with my song writing so be kind! :) 
    As far as recording method, I just used a sm57 and a guitar amp, made 2 takes, panned one L and one R and applied some eq (tried all kinds of different eqing). I don't think is sounds terrible, just doesn't pop. (I attempted to master a bit with Ozone 5). No effects, no reverb, nothin! Trying to keep it clear and audible.
     
    http://soundcloud.com/blakkmire/burninbridges
     
     

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 15:35:35 (permalink)
    I thought they sounded good.  You don't want them to get harsh.

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 15:42:29 (permalink)
    I'm only on my laptop's internal speakers and those guitars are most certainly popping. They sound good, man. Step away from the mix for a couple of days and listen to it again. Your ears are probably just burnt out. Happens to me too. 

    Nice work.
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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 15:52:38 (permalink)
    I have been listening to it daily, multiple times. for a couple of weeks. I think it sounds good for the most part, then I made a big mistake and listened to some other "home recordings" and heard a couple where the guitars sounded so much better, they were way out front, crisp and clean, yet perfectly mixed with the rest of the music. I will move forward. I feel better knowing they sound ok.  I am getting ready to put out a CD and am worried it will sound lame.

    Thanks folks!!!!

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 15:53:53 (permalink)
    The guitars sound great to me on my Grado's. The drums could probably use a little work, although overall the mix sounds pretty good to me. I would have probably mixed the solo a touch louder also. 

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 16:25:15 (permalink)
    I agree Sharke, i am starting to feel like a mix will never be done! LOL.  I am still learning. I still need to program them a bit more.  What about the drums do you think needs work? BTW, they are BFD2. The mix or the parts?

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 16:34:02 (permalink)
    You might be interested in this tutorial... Producing and Mixing Guitars...
    http://www.macprovideo.co...itars&affil=143186

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 17:46:32 (permalink)
    I re-eq'd and posted a nother mix. Better, worse. (yes the bfd cuts off the first cymbal, still trying to figure that out).

    https://soundcloud.com/#blakkmire/burnin-bridges-mix-2


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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 17:54:06 (permalink)
    In the BFD GUI try clicking the "Offline" button. it should fix the cut off cymbal.
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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 17:57:13 (permalink)
    oh, thank you soooo much, I have been trying to figure that out!


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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 18:02:52 (permalink)
    Right on. It has something to do with BFD handing over control to Sonar instead of trying to process things itself. IDK... it's weird. There is a blurb on it in the BFD manual.

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 18:15:18 (permalink)
    i turned the offline = on, and that caused all kinds of issues, clicks, stutters and a it shuts off the audio engine. So I am looking into that now.
     
    I increased te BFD buffers to 32768, clicked load all into RAM and load on demand, increased my interface buffer and all seems to be working now. Of course I just said that so something is boud to go wrong now. 
    post edited by TraceyStudios - 2013/01/19 18:21:41

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 18:22:41 (permalink)
    You totally want it turned off. If you already had it turned off I'm not sure what would be causing the cut off cymbal. Maybe increase your latency buffers before exporting or if the cut off is at the start of the track move the tracks further down the timeline so Sonar has a chance to sort itself out before processing the MIDI stuff. You could also try freezing/bouncing the drum track before exporting to see if that helps.

    Just tossing out ideas. Cheers.
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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 18:23:42 (permalink)
    Heh. You beat me to it. ;-)
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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 19:15:37 (permalink)
    I read up om it. Basically, you only use it at mix down under certain conditions. Not sure if I understand if SONAR is a real time rendering or not. Basically what it does is: it stops the host engine from proceeding until all of the sounds are loaded. What this does is stop cymbals being "choked" or cut off too soon. The manual does not recomend this as normal setting to be on. Only use if needed during mixing. So I learned something. Cool.  Increased buffers is working great!  Thanks Beepster!

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/19 19:34:20 (permalink)
    Happy to be of service. It helps me solidify all the mumbo jumbo I've been cramming into my noodle. ;-)
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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 01:38:30 (permalink)
    Hey Tracy!!!
    Ive been out all day and just getting back in.  Getting ready to check out what ya have done with the wonderful help ya got from everyone.

    This place is so comforting with the helpfulness everyone is willing to contribute  

    It is a long learning curve just coming into it and you will get better in time.  

    Beepster nailed it!!!  Take breaks and take them often.  Your ears will get burnt,  tired,  etc...
    Long breaks when working and trying to sort something like that out will do wonders.

    Make others mixes that you like a goal to achieve down the road with the learning curve.  It s not an overnight fix and one cant compare someone elses equipment and techniques to another and expect the same results.  It will come in time to what you want or expect with the experience you will gain in the entire process.  Just takes time and learning.  Im not where I want and its so easy to get caught in that rut that it is never ready.  Ive learned to get what I capture as good as I can and then move on to the next project-if you dont, it will always seem to be at that point of"its not quite right yet" LOL 

    Just have fun and keep on moving forward-but dont forget to take a break, whether its an hour or days depending on what your hearing.   


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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 01:41:58 (permalink)
    Did you pull it off Sound Cloud,  Im not finding it by the links?

    No prob , was just curious to see how ya came out


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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 01:44:09 (permalink)
    I will repost right now. Been working on it, but I wonder if I made it worse. LOL

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 01:49:18 (permalink)
    Beepster: In BFD, the offline button should be used when Fast Bouncing.  Below is the fast bounce doc:

    http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Mixing.57.html

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 02:09:22 (permalink)
     digi2ns & beepster. I hear ya, I get so caught up in the whole process, I love it and I hate it all at the same time. We are still recording tracks, so I will prbably drive myself nuts for the next couple of months, but then I will just do the best I can and be done with it. I am certainly improving, just wish i could improve faster. I am an addict now, spend all my free time in the music room or on the forum. Saturday night for example, mixed until 11:00 now I am non the forums, reading posts trying to help and hopefully learn a few thing while trying to help. I appreciate all help I have received.

    Thanks All!!

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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 02:16:03 (permalink)
    Hey man!!!

    I really think you are beating yourself up on this.

    I loved the first mix to begin with.  The second IMO shows signs of yamaking changes after burning your ears out.

    You are doing great with it so far!!!

    One thing Ive seen done and suggested time and time again-
    Hire someone like Danny Danzi for what they provide you with a Mastered Mix that includes a video tutorial on the mix they do for you.  You should pick up on so much that you can knock years off of what you are questioning yourself on  

    Anyway-Loved the original/first mix as I said.  Keep it up.

    Id move your future mixes now down to the song forum. So many great mixers down there giving great advise  


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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 02:27:44 (permalink)
    You should be able to contact Danny here in the Forums or by his site

    http://www.dannydanzi.com/home.htm


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    Re:Recording - Mixing Guitars 2013/01/20 10:34:48 (permalink)
    digi2ns


    You should be able to contact Danny here in the Forums or by his site

    http://www.dannydanzi.com/home.htm


    Thanks Mike. :)

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