Recording Synths

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2013/10/28 14:23:37 (permalink)

Recording Synths

I am able to record Cakewalk Sound Center synths, but am not able to record SI-Drum kit for arguments sake.
I am able to hear the drums playback over my output, but no recording capabilities.
Also noticed that the waveform was not present while recording CSC synths unlike the way it works when I am recording an actual instrument.
Any help will be appreciated.  Thanks and cheers,
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    Kalle Rantaaho
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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/28 14:40:00 (permalink)
    Those VSTis work exactly the same way. What are you doing differently with SI-drums? How are you recording?
     
    MIDI is only control data, and no audio file is created when you record the soft synths, that's why you can only see waveform if you enable waveform preview. That preview waveform is not something you can edit like audio clips, because an audio clip is created only if you freeze the synth or bounce to track.

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/29 10:52:02 (permalink)
    Thank you for your reply....
    I am not doing anything differently to my knowledge.
    I am attempting to record by inserting a synth track using instructions provided.
    with the interface (SI - drum kit for arg's sake) up I hit the cymbal.  It registers on the track input meters and is output to my system speakers, but when I arm the track and do the same nothing is recorded.
    However, as mentioned when I insert softsynth->cakewalk sound center-> select drum kit, I am able to play instruments and am able to record them.
    Thanks again and cheers,
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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/29 21:36:57 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum.
    How are you 'playing' the instruments?

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/30 07:59:13 (permalink)
    You should be able to either FREEZE the drum synth or BOUNCE it. Either will give you a "hard copy" wave.
     
    You do not "ARM" the audio track to record a synth. You do however arm the midi source track for the synth to record the midi data as it is played or inputted from the midi controller. You must press the record button and see the time line moving as it records.
     
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    I am not doing anything differently to my knowledge.
    I am attempting to record by inserting a synth track using instructions provided.
    with the interface (SI - drum kit for arg's sake) up I hit the cymbal.  It registers on the track input meters and is output to my system speakers, but when I arm the track and do the same nothing is recorded.
    However, as mentioned when I insert softsynth->cakewalk sound center-> select drum kit, I am able to play instruments and am able to record them.



    Try using the CSC drum kit to record the drum midi and then simply switch the synth to SI-drums.... see if that works.... that's a work around to see if SI reads the recorded midi data....
     
    you should be able to record the midi regardless of the synth.
     

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/30 09:02:36 (permalink)
    To further clarify: You can not record anything by clicking the drum pictures in the user interface.

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/30 10:01:05 (permalink)
    Kalle Rantaaho
    To further clarify: You can not record anything by clicking the drum pictures in the user interface.


    Yep - in addition to arming the track, you then need to hit 'R' to start recording, and trigger the corresponding hits via your keyboard/controller/drum pad etc

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/30 12:02:17 (permalink)
    Thanks to you all I have a few things to try and will let you how I make out.
    Thanks again and cheers,
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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/30 22:00:41 (permalink)
    GregM - what's your input Midi Channel and does that correspond to your Midi controller (as in a keyboard). If you press a key in the lower range of your keyboard you should hear (with input monitor on) the drum sounds as you touch the keys. You should then be able to record if that's working.

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/30 22:15:55 (permalink)
    Greg, while this particular question is fairly generic (synth behavior is pretty consistent), it will be helpful if you can list your Sonar version and system specs in your signature. If we know what you are working with, it is much easier to give you a direct answer.
    Stick with it, and good luck.

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/31 19:38:17 (permalink)
    Thanks again for all the feedback.  Much appreciated.
    Here are the steps I am taking specifically in my attempt to insert a synth track.  Pretty much the tutorial I found online.
    1) Open a blank project, 2) Insert-Synth-CakewalkSS32(ENABLE MIDI OUTPUT) - Input=Omni, Output=Speakers The CWSS appears 3) Arm Track and Press record.  When I hit a key on the piano roll a drum beat is heard and registers on my input level meter.  So everything appears fine.
    However when I follow the same steps replacing CCSS32 with SessionDrummer, I am unable to record.  When I hit a cymbal on the interface, I hear the cymbal and the input level meter reacts.
    Iawajava-the midi input is Midi-Omni in both scenarios.
    Kalle-if what you say is correct that would explain the results I am experiencing however (and I am a rank amateur when saying this) does this make sense?  If you insert a synth, an interface of a drum kit is displayed, you hit a cymbal, it makes a sound and registers on your meters shouldn't you be able to record it as well?  What is the purpose of interface.  Sorry if that sounds like a stupid question.
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    GuitarHacker - swapped out fx from CSS to SessionDrummer.  The interface appeared, I could play a cymbal, it op'ed to my speaker and tripped my input meters.
     
    Thanks for all your help again.... will keep plugging.  might make a support call.
    Cheers to you all.
     

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/10/31 22:11:46 (permalink)
    When you say "record it" do you mean record the MIDI on a MIDI track? Or record the audio on an audio track? I'm sorry I've read this several times and I'm unclear. If you're trying to "bounce to tracks" to create an audio track, you have to select "the folder" so you have your synth selected, and the midi track. Then edit and bounce to tracks, select tracks. 

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/11/01 02:14:02 (permalink)
    You can record the drums using the piano roll as well. If you really think about: How could anyone play a drumm fill clicking the drums on user interface? It would make no sense to build a recording function based on the interface image. Just like
    clicking on the piano keyboard pic on the UI of a synth, you can audition the sound, but not record. You couldn't play chords with a mouse anyway :o/
     
    The purpose of the interface is to look good, attempt buyers and show you how the kit looks. Also, when the MIDI track is playing, you can see (in all drum synths that I've used) in the interface in real time which kitpiece is being hit. In software that have possibilities for, say, changing mic positions, the UI picture shows what is happening.

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    Re: Recording Synths 2013/11/01 10:36:05 (permalink)
    Right. You can't record the synth; you record the MIDI data to a MIDI track which has it's output set to the synth. The GUI drums or keyboards are there to sample the sounds. If you can't hear what samples you're loading, how will you know what samples you're using?
    MIDI track input set to your MIDI device, keyboard or controller. You don't need to set the input if you're drawing notes in the PRV or Staff view.
    MIDI track output set to your MIDI device, keyboard or sound module, or a soft synth.

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