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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 08:49:40
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Have you tried miking the violin from above, as close as possible, then using a room impulse? I've been lucky enough to have a decent room to record my violin, but I've tried the method above and had pretty good results, too.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 09:36:32
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/16 08:45:06
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Re: Recording Violin
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/05 12:42:40
I've gotten killer fiddle sounds in my OK room. Oktava 012 smd, which is a good if dark mic. Over the bridge pointing down, of course. You have to "fiddle" with it, but I got a nice sound. two notes - it was a very good violin, which helps. She said the quality of the violin had saved her many times and it did sound great in the room. Plus, a nice input channel, the RND Portico (which has saved me more than once). And it really helps to have a second person - I can't imagine trying to find a sweet spot if you are playing and engineering. Good luck.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 12:38:06
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/05 12:43:14
Usual way to record a solo violin/fiddle is a mic positioned about 18" off the top, pointed at the spot between the f holes and positioned to keep it clear of the bow. This allows the frequencies coming off different parts of the violin body to have a bit of distance to blend in.
Electric violins, and piezo pickups on acoustic violins, tend to remove a lot of the distinctive harmonics, the effect of differing bow strokes and angles and generally smooth the dynamics out. They easily end up sounding more like a clarinet than bowed string. This is in part because of the nature of piezo pickups and in part because piezos only pick up the vibration of what they directly contact. So in a violin a bridge piezo picks up what you'd hear if you put a stethoscope on the bridge - most of the contribution the body makes is missing and has to be corrected, so far as is possible, by heavy eqing.
Among very good fiddlers I know the piezo system regarded as probably the best is the Headway, which wraps around the entire violin body and picks up a broad range of sounds rather than from just one spot.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 13:57:18
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Thanks for those links Bob. I used everything I had at my disposal so far. I've tried micing from many angles including from above. I've used lots of different mics. I was able to make the sound better but not good enough to seriously include in a recording. I have a few decent violins. I used my best one which has a nice warm sound for a violin. Unlike many other instruments a violin uses the room space to add personality to the sound. A dead space probably means a dead violin sound. My space is smaller and has no ceiling treatments, so the sound hits the drywall about 5ft above my head. The result is a fairly lame sound with early reflections. A boxy not too cool sound. Mic too close and you hear the string scratches. My violin sounds good in an auditorium. Small spaces, not so much. Recording the sound and adding a good reverb to it later doesn't improve it much because it sucked to begin with. I'm really looking into those electric violins Bob mentioned. Thanks for your ideas and suggestions!
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 15:08:01
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 16:44:20
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/05 12:44:36
Hey Starise my wife plays violin so I have been around them a bit. And recorded them too. She also has an electric violin similar to the one you linked. Firstly no matter what is going on, any electric violin will have a slight electric sound to it and it is slightly different to an acoustic sound. Good though. Louise has a cracker electric machine and it sounds good in an electric type live band situation too. I don't record it acoustically though. Doesn't have a sound as such. Bit like an acoustic guitar DI sound. She has a normal violin and hers is valued in the area of $40,000. Most of you would not have invested that sort of money in a violin. It makes a difference. It has a big fat well balanced sound and in the hands of the right player produces a silky full range tone. Mics that have smoother top end response works well. Ribbon mics are good for this. Not too close, just two/three feet or more above has always done it for me. Not to close to the ceiling though if you can. Higher ceilings are slightly better. Even in a small room I have got excellent results with a valve pre amp too. But it is because she gets the most amazing tone out of it and plays it pitch accurate and with perfect vibrato, timing and confidence too. She had some work done on her instrument recently and they moved the sound post and now her sound is different again! Violinists get right into the deep aspects of the instrument. The strings make a huge difference. Louise was trying different brands and models etc. Some were shrill and horrible and almost impossible to listen to and record, others were smooth and magnificent and fat and she has settled on some now that are more like that. Her violin is a little bigger and has a slightly deeper sound to it too. She also has a viola and because of the nature of that being like a deeper low pitched violin it sounds better and is slightly easier to record. The lower the strings go down the easier it is to get a good recorded sound. eg Cello is a little nicer to record as well. I have put Louise doing the top lines of orchestra simulations and it makes whole synth string sections sound real and live. Three tracks is all it takes of violins doing 1st's and 2nd's parts and one viola track doing the lines just below those. Real nice convolution reverbs are a must and things like Reverberate do it super well. The sound in a small room is just a little dead and no reverb as such but we like some form of reverb over violin tracks. They don't have to be elongated halls either. Just nice smaller stage spaces etc.. String quartets are also very cool. I have been lucky enough to have recorded some nice ones for soundtracks I have done. Two passes of four players can produce a very fat and lush string sound. Louise is also lucky in that she has studied a Jazz degree and rips out Jazz tunes and solos rather well in fact. She can improvise and blow over changes which is very cool. In more country acoustic and folk styles she improvises lines in the genre. Adding interest and texture to the music. I am lucky enough to hear it being played at its best which is always nice to hear.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 19:37:03
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/06 13:44:59
There you go, Tim. You just need a $40,000 violin, high ceiling, fat strings, and play your parts perfectly. Simple.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/20 23:59:59
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Sad but true. Electric seems a cheaper route. Still, I like a little squeak in my strings.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/21 18:28:07
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/05 12:44:51
Starise Thanks for those links Bob. I used everything I had at my disposal so far. I've tried micing from many angles including from above. I've used lots of different mics. I was able to make the sound better but not good enough to seriously include in a recording. I have a few decent violins. I used my best one which has a nice warm sound for a violin. Unlike many other instruments a violin uses the room space to add personality to the sound. A dead space probably means a dead violin sound. My space is smaller and has no ceiling treatments, so the sound hits the drywall about 5ft above my head. The result is a fairly lame sound with early reflections. A boxy not too cool sound. Mic too close and you hear the string scratches. My violin sounds good in an auditorium. Small spaces, not so much. Recording the sound and adding a good reverb to it later doesn't improve it much because it sucked to begin with. I'm really looking into those electric violins Bob mentioned. Thanks for your ideas and suggestions!
I've had these troubles myself, recording in small room with a lot of bad artifacts. I put up a lot of matresses and made a small booth. I got it really dry but no reverb could repair the sound. Lately I been recording in my livingroom that has much nicer acoustics, with some matresses at the corners. And I'm playing into a reflexion filter. A much more natural sound without too many disturbing artifacts. Earlier (late 90's to 5-6 years ago) I recorded only my electric violin (yamaha silent vln) and I couldnt get that warm distinctive violin sound out of it, although it was very easy to put on different effects.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/21 21:15:21
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What mic/mics are you using to record the violin? What kind of sound do you want?
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/04/21 21:55:09
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/05 12:44:56
I probably record violins in a different context, usually chamber music, solo recitals, and concertos. The main concept for me to get a good sound is most importantly to record in a good room. It is important not to get too close to the instrument, and a small studio demands close microphone placement, so it is a non-starter. Bad room sound = Bad violin sound. If you record dead, you almost certainly will need a good slathering of reverb. Most of the time I will use a good main par a few feet back and a spot about 3 feet away from the sound board above the player. Here is a recent recording of the Mendelssohn Concert I did in December. A main pair of Josephson C617 set mics for the orchestra, a Schoeps CMC622 spot for the violin few feet in front of the player. and a few more spots for the winds, timpani, and bass. It was in an auditorium, not too reverberant, so I helped it a bit with Flux Verb. https://soundcloud.com/rmap/violin-concerto
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/03 10:34:49
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I want to thank you all for your comments. I apologize for taking such a long time to get back to this thread. I've been away and when I came back I didn't get back here because I was sidetracked. I want to thank each of you for your comments on recording the violin. concerning the violin tone- When I went to buy my violin I was looking for a nice warm sounding instrument. Since it was my second violin I thought I knew something but I really didn't. I listened to at least 10 violins in the intermediate category and the one I picked was a very nice instrument a Romanian model. I picked it for the warm rounded tone. What I didn't know was that strings can make such a huge difference and I think the strings were what really sold me on the violin. As I later found out the sales girl had worked for Di addario in the past and she had strung this violin up with Di addario Kaplan Amo's. Kaplan Amo's are known to soften up any harsh violin. The other thing I didn't know was that violin strings take some time to set in. Usually at least a week. During this time the timbre can change. So my nice soft violin sound was too soft after several weeks and a trade off of this type of synthetic string is that the response is sometimes less which can really throw a newb like me off....so I've ordered a set of Dominants with the Pirastro "gold" E string. Why am I telling you this ?...so you can see that there's so much more to the sound before you even think about recording. I hope after my string change I'll have a better defined and slightly more aggressive tone. Daniel I tried using several of my large diaphragm condenser mics and I have a small SDC...not a really good one. I haven't tried a ribbon yet. I haven't had any luck at all with stereo recordings. I suspect you have a nice large recording space. The recording you made is beautiful. I'm looking for a smooth natural not scratchy sound. I do have access to a church auditorium. That's a lot of trouble to go there and set up, but maybe it's worth it. I am still wondering if instead of buying expensive mics and adding room treatments to my small space I would be better buying something like a decent NS design and recording direct. I've heard the sound from those and they really don't sound electric to my ears, especially if I add some decent reverb. There's also the choice to add a special pick-up bridge to my existing violin or buy an acoustic violin with the internal electric pickups in it. This is all expensive too, and I'm leary of changing the bridge in my violin because I like how it basically sounds now.
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Re: Recording Violin
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/05 13:32:11
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/16 08:52:16
One thing worth considering are the AKG tiny clip on mic capsules, with the clip attached to the tailpiece and capsule pointed at the bridge. Microvox do a similar, cheaper product. I know quite a few fiddlers (and play a bit, badly) myself and though fiddle and violin aren't quite the same thing, very few of them like piezo pickups because they take out much of the attack and need a lot of eqing. OK for live use where feedback control, stage clutter and having to stay in the right spot for a mic on a stand are issues, but not so much for recording.
And yes, strings can make a huge difference to violins, even the choice of rosin affects tone and response. In my experience Dominants take around a month to really settle in. Genuine gut strings can apparently take up to two months. The bow makes a huge difference as well.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/05 23:57:19
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Some of those tiny instrument lavs are okay for live use. The only one I would ever think of using for recording applications is the DPA 4099, or even better, the 4061, which is no cheap microphone. It would, however, eliminate the room issue. The instrument would still be the limiting factor for a good sound. You can also adapt the microphone for use with any instrument with the adapters. An electric violin is akin to using an electronic keyboard to replace a piano. It will never sound as good as a great instrument, but it can certainly be preferable to a bad instrument in a mix. Just my 2 cents. Certainly each musician has their preference for strings, D'Adarrio is, of course, the standard brand which many amateur and professional musicians gravitate to. Bows are a different story and they are probably as important as the instrument itself. I know some violinists who spent more than ten thousand dollars on a good bow just to help improve their technique a little bit.
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Re: Recording Violin
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Wow lot's to chew on here. I appreciate it! I was recently looking at those mics you mentioned. This might be a decent alternative especially since I was willing to look at an entirely different instrument to get a good sound. I am starting to come over to a more purist view though when I heard that recording electronic violin is akin to recording a keyboard instead of a piano. Since the mic mentioned is still basically micing a natural sound it could be a solution. In some circles I'm told that violin price reflects violin sound but in other circles this point is argued. I have an intermediate instrument in the 1500 dollar range that the rep told me should serve me well for a long time and it sounds good when I play it correctly. It is head and shoulders above my 300.00 stentor. I didn't even try the 5000-10.000 dollar violins because I knew I wouldn't be looking at buying one for quite awhile. When I play in Irish sessions, the fiddlers there seem to be able to make what looks like a basic instrument sound very good. My objective is a nice irish "fiddle" sound whatever that is. From what I've seen so far, a good player can make a nice sound on a less expensive violin. When I bought the violin I also bought the bow. I took a blind test with my back to the player and she played with a decent higher priced pernambuco wood bow and a graphite bow. Before that I sampled 10 or so bows in different price ranges and narrowed it down to two bows.. The best of the two was the graphite bow hands down in that price range. I was told that in the lower price ranges graphite is the way to go. The wood ones are better in the higher price ranges, so my bow cost around 100.00 American. I have two graphite bows now and the wood one that came with my student model. Not sure if this is important, but I selected my last bow based on weight and sound. It weighs in at just over 5 grams which is light for a violin bow. I don't know how huge of a difference it makes compared to a very expensive bow, since my situation is what it is I'm not likely to upgrade my bow right away. I did buy very good gold pirastro rosin. My violin teacher seemed to think I had an ok setup.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/06 18:16:35
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☄ Helpfulby Starise 2016/05/16 08:55:27
Now, I'm no Irish fiddler, but I do l know a lot of very good indeed English traditional fiddlers and it's a closely related style. It's been suggested that Irish, British and Applachain fiddlers are the last surviving strand of the Baroque style violin.... It's a sound like no other and has little to do with the classical romantic school violin playing of the "serious" music world.
Anyway, as far as I can work out the key to the sound is mostly in the bowing technique rather than the strings, quality of bow or even quality of fiddle. Some make superb music on surprisingly inexpensive instruments, bows ranging from custom made Baroque style short bows with a reverse curve to fiberglass cheap ones, strings from Dominants to cheap Dogal steel. All work for someone.
You definitely need the squeak (or "grunge") of a heavy bow attack to come through, the short bow strokes and attack are what gives the music lift and life, and without it everything smooths out and gets too "nice" if you see what I mean.
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Re: Recording Violin
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Thanks tlw. The Dominants definitely made a difference. Even though they're synthetics they feel better on string crossings and have a more lively tone. They're still settling in, if they stay similar to what I have now I'll be happy. I'm feeling more and more like I didn't throw bad money at my setup. This is nice to know since this fiddle is my partner for years to come. I had no idea there were so many styles of fiddle playing. It's been said that the irish styles use more of the left hand while Scottish styles are more to do with the bow. I love Irish fiddle ornamentation. The "cuts" are beautifully done and I love the scale modes used. I recently went to see and spoke with one of the best Irish fiddlers in the world. Kevin Burke. If you like this kind of music you'll like Kevin's music.He's an expert in the style of County Sligo. I checked out the dpa mics Daniel mentioned and I think this is exactly what I need. Expensive yes, but I want nice recordings. This is the very mic used by the little dancing fairy in the Celtic Woman concerts. It's an omni, but that actually works as an advantage.
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StariseI had no idea there were so many styles of fiddle playing. It's been said that the irish styles use more of the left hand while Scottish styles are more to do with the bow. I love Irish fiddle ornamentation. The "cuts" are beautifully done and I love the scale modes used. I recently went to see and spoke with one of the best Irish fiddlers in the world. Kevin Burke. If you like this kind of music you'll like Kevin's music.He's an expert in the style of County Sligo. Yes, I'm familiar with Kevin Burke, though my tastes lie in a more English direction. There are dozens of fiddle styles, and at one time there could be quite a variation over a surprisingly short distance even in a small country like England. Once you start looking across Europe and the melting pots of Canada and the USA it's amazing how many different ways people have found of taking an instrument and making it relevant to them. For southern English fiddle styles you could do worse than starting with these - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLuDQY5_Ee0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb5c2sutirMThe video's a bit wonky at the start of this, but it settles down.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/09 23:45:45
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Lets not forget one of my favorite fiddle styles, Bluegrass! Here is part of a live concert with a fiddle, guitar, banjo, and bass. Fiddle: Neumann TLM107 (doubled as voice mic) Guitar: Neumann TLM107 Banjo: Sennheiser MKH8040 Bass: Ambient only with pickup and Bass Amp. (oh and a couple C617set's as a main pair for a different group, but used as a "blend" room mic for this group) Performed in a Glass Blowing Warehouse. https://soundcloud.com/rmap/bluegrass
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Starise
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/13 10:25:00
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Those english fiddle players are crazy :) I have never seen a fiddle fiddle like that! Great music!! I enjoyed the videos. Jesse thanks! I have read this and there's lots of great info in that article. Daniel you put me to shame with the quality of your recordings on acoustic instruments. All well done! There's a bunch of fellows down my road who meet to play bluegrass every Sat rain or shine. I almost joined up until I learned that I would need to memorize over 100 irish jigs to play the sessions well at my other gig...just not enough time to do both, and I lean more in the irish tradition than bluegrass which makes me sort of an outcast in these parts. Anyone who looks down on bluegrass or any folk tradition doesn't know the chops needed to play it. I took some more of the advice I've gotten here and tried to change as many variables as I could to get a better sound. I tried different polar patterns and mic positions with the gear I already have. I was able to improve my sound a lot in tweaking mic positions and in working with proximity and gain. I got it close but not quite close enough. I would go so far as to say it was almost acceptable. I'm going to try recording in a different location with the mics I have. I'll use my Zoom H4 as the recorder since that's all I have right now. It has two XLR +48 and will record in 16/44.1 or 24/96. The converters aren't stellar but hopefully passable. My Shure KSM44 is a very neutral mic and seems to be the best candidate in my collection so far. Probably not as good as a ribbon. I definitely need a soft approach to this violin...something like a ribbon mic. If I can't pull it off with what I have I'll have to try and get something that works. I can keep you posted here on progress since maybe this will help someone else.
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Starise
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/17 10:00:52
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UPDATE- I went to a church auditorium with two mics to record the violin. I used an AKG C3000B and a Shure KSM44 mic into a simple Zoom H4 recorder using those XLR connections. I ended up playing mostly in the dark because the light ballasts made noise and I had to wait between motorcycles going by on the street outside...but I was able to capture something eventually. After much experimentation I decided to use both mics at a position of around 4 ft away and slightly above the fiddle at my seated position with both set to cardoid pattern. I could have been fine with only one mic. I wanted to use the acoustics of the space more since it's a large acoustically pleasant space. Using a figure 8 polar pattern on the KSM44 and the C3000B set to pick up the side in M/S wasn't very flattering, nor was using the Shure KSM44 set to omni, even after repeated positioning tests. These might have been fine for a classical music setting. Since I was looking for a more intimate feel I decided to use both mics set to a cardoid pattern. The space acted more like a place to keep the frequencies and harmonics in check with a very small amount of spill from the sides. This is the track straight from the recorder warts and all. No treatment of any kind. Keep in mind I'm less than 6 months on the fiddle so there are squeaks in this. I plan to do another take without the squeaks soon! https://soundcloud.com/starise/ste-004/s-yyOeB
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/18 17:30:02
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Hey Starise - ! I dont particularly dislike either the original violin track you posted or the newer one. While I have limited knowledge of recording violin - I do have extensive knowledge with the ksm 44 - and also recording in not so great rooms. I do have to agree that the room has much more to do with the sound of our acoustic instruments than we would often wish - however there are ways to get around that. The ksm44 - here - check this out https://bandzoogle.com/tr...3313134428/824590.html all the acoustics on this track were recorded with the 44. The lead mandolin is actually a capo'd, double tracked acoustic miced at point blank range with the 44 - in omni mode... here's why: omni mode may give you a less direct in your face sound - however it sounds much more "relaxed" and open... as well as you don't get a peak in the presence area of the signal. So - if your recording something that can possibly get "harsh" like a sax, - you grab one of those reflection filters, set your 44 in omni - and you can get the mic pretty close to something that might come off less balanced in a cardiod pattern. There are times when I have had to record a very soft whistle - so - totally not what you would think - Ill use the 44 in omni mod, and whistle across the front of it... this way the wind noise is directed away from the diaphragm.. so it is not acting like a sail in a sea of halitosis....(come on.. thats funny).... but also its less harsh in the 2.5 range.. where if the whistle happens to point right at the hot spot of the pickup pattern, it really stands out too much. So - the point of all of this is the omni pattern of the ksm 44 is much more useful than I originally ever would have thought.
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Starise
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/19 08:41:02
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Great track David! Yes I have to agree that the KSM44 and the cousin to it the KSM44a are great mics. My mic collection is not top end. Most of my other condenser mics are low end Chinese and a few nice dynamics I use. Because of its smooth and unflattering response the KSM44 makes a decent violin mic and it ended up being my only one on this next example. As fate would have it I ended up recording this next track on the KSM44 in my garage. After trying my staircase in various locations and a few other rooms in the house the garage was the clear winner mainly because it has insulation bats hanging from the ceiling which made excellent sound treatment, even better than the church auditorium. I put a rug down in there and positioned the KSM44 about 4ft above and 5ft away tracking in mono . I like the idea of putting the mic in omni mode and playing into the side rather than the front. In my setting the omni didn't seem to make a huge difference. If you didn't have a ribbon mic I think the KSM44 is a decent violin mic because of the very neutral personality it has. Too close though and it's still way too hot on a violin. Worked about 3/4 ft away for me.That still picks up some scratch. If you wanted a more distant sound I would move back a little further. I'm looking at the Cascade Fathead ribbon as an alternative or to augment what I have. If you have it to spend the Royers are probably best.DPA mics are also an option. They seem to be used more for live performances though and can pick up breathing noises. I'm still a newb on the instrument, but I think I'm making headway with the recording at least...the playing still leaves a little to be desired. Here's the track I recorded in my garage- https://soundcloud.com/st...starise-workers-lament
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/26 14:27:22
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Everything that I have read and comments made here point to a decent ribbon microphone for fiddle/violin. One of the frustrating things about searching for a ribbon online is that when they are tested, it's usually with an electric guitar, acoustic guitar, horns or sax....anything that has a little too much sizzle for a condenser mic. Some reviewers mentions using a mic for "strings" which should cover this nicely. If you should decide on a ribbon mic a word of caution. They need a pre amp that can handle the correct impedence or you will end up driving your exisitng pre amps up way high. You won't get the best result from a ribbon using stock pre amps. As it turns out there are active ribbon mics designed to work much better with standard mic pre amps. I ended up ordering a Golden Age MKIII active ribbon mic. They also make one that's not active. If you want active circuitry you will need to make sure it says "active" in the description. These are figure 8 pattern. You'll get pickup from the rear of the mic to a lesser degree. I also ordered one of those mic reflection filters. The jury is still out on how effective this will be. I'll try and post another example soon of the new mic and reflection filter.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/26 16:00:07
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The figure 8 pattern will hear equally from both sides so when you are recording, it pays to be mindful of what the other half of the ribbon mic is hearing. You can create a more dead area in one part of your studio and have that side pointing towards that. And the other side on the violin side and this could be in a slightly more reverberant part of the room as well. (As long as the room sounds good though) Better violins don't give you the squeaky upper harmonics. So wanting that is not actually desirable. On a very nice instrument this part of the spectrum is smoother and much more well balanced. An SM57 on an expensive instrument can result in a good sound.
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Re: Recording Violin
2016/05/31 11:11:48
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I appreciate the advice Jeff. The figure 8 pattern was a concern for me and I attempted to dampen the mic from the rear. The new ribbon mic was an improvement. I used a baffle at the rear of the mic. Still not perfectly what I wanted, but closer to my goal. I made this recording in a small studio using the Golden Age MKIII active ribbon mic. Some people seem to have liked it on my SC page already. I think I can do better in the next recording with a few more adjustments. The reverb is all added to a basically dead sound. Not really what I would prefer, but it seems to have worked better. https://soundcloud.com/starise/irish-medley-red-haired-boy-britches-full-of-stitches-egans-polka As an aside, the Golden Age Active MKIII has some noise. The result of the active circuitry. When faded and adjusted it can be dealt with. The mic rolls off the harshness much better than a neutral LDC. Is it the best?....no. Go to a pro studio for that, but it works ok for what I'm trying to do :) An accomplished player would sound really good with this setup using sound absorption and this ribbon.
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