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Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
I have just got a yamaha MOXF8 and I want to record the midi data for performances into Sonar. I need to know how one can separate the parts to individual tracks as the MOXF runs all performance data on a single MIDI channel. Apparently in Cubase there is a control called Dissolve Parts which does this very thing. So if someone can post links to any tutorials on this, or can provide any further information I would be grateful. Thanks
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/25 15:43:17
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I would doubt that Yamaha uses only one channel for a backing track. Drums will be on Channel 10 and piano etc on other channels. If it even outputs the midi data at all. Some don't. But there is a CAL script that will seperate the channels.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/25 17:01:57
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No you are wrong - Yamaha DOES use a single midi channel for its four part Performances, sorry!
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/25 23:19:01
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You're better off asking on the Motifator forums. This is more a question with the setup of the MOXF. Not sure it's possible to do.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/26 00:44:23
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Yeah rlared - fair dues to that!
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/26 04:19:36
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Select the track and from the Process Menu select Cal split notes to tracks. Make sure that the track containing the midi is the last track
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/26 14:31:39
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thanks Mudgel although I do know about CAL, I use it regularly. But the point is as a Yamaha Performance (running arps) uses only channel 1, it makes it a bit difficult to know which notes are drums which are bass which are synth etc etc . Most performances consist of four parts all running on channel 1.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/26 15:26:36
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A custom CAL is all I can think of unless the hardware can have the output adjusted (never used one, but would seem probable). If the splits are static, is one CAL; but if dynamic, I would hunt for a hardware output setting.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/26 16:01:16
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joden Apparently in Cubase there is a control called Dissolve Parts which does this very thing.
... which has 2 modes: by channel and by pitch. Since you write everything is in one channel, it is by pitch, so mettelus A custom CAL is all I can think of unless the hardware can have the output adjusted (never used one, but would seem probable). If the splits are static, is one CAL;...
Single notes are "static", so if you still believe Dissolve Parts can do the trick for you, "Split note to Tracks" CAL can do that as well.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/26 23:35:19
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From a very brief reading of the MOXF8 manual: In performance mode, the MOXF8 separates parts by note range and velocity range, rather than channel. In Sonar, it is easy to select notes by value or range. Velocity range can be selected by the more complex "Edit > Select > By Filter". Arpeggios are emitted on the MIDI output if selected by the Output Switch. Looks like the channel for arpeggio output can be set to something other than the keyboard channel.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 02:43:49
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Its alright guys...nobody has actually understood what is happening. Unless you own a motif you won't. I really need to point out I am fully aware of the CAL apps that I can use, but it really does not work in this case. If I could close the thread I would. I am trying to source further info from Motifator. Thanks for the attempts at assistance though, it is appreciated.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 03:45:53
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It occurs to me that you have not made clear what it is you are trying to do since "part" is an ambiguous term here. Sometimes it is used to mean the difference between the notes played by the right hand and the left hand in a keyboard piece. There is no way for software to know which hand is playing what note (although it can guess) based on the pitches. Sometimes it means the notes played by each instrument in an arrangement for several instruments. That latter is usually done in MIDI by recording the tracks individually, one for each voice/patch/instrument at a time, each to its own track. It is possible to create keyboard "splits" on some keyboard synths that will produce different voices from different keys using the built in synthesizer, but that is done with onboard logic routing not MIDI. It would be very unusual to be able to use the MIDI capability of a keyboard to send splits as MIDI to a DAW, although it could conceivably be done by associating each key of the split with a patch change message or sending each split region out as a single midi channel. If your keyboard cannot separate out splits in the MIDI data it sends out, then all the MIDI data will be merged in its output, but you could still separate out the splits after recording the merged MIDI output by applying filters based on note numbers to the recorded MIDI track and manually creating your own tracks. "Dissolve parts" in Cubase will let you separate a multi-channel midi file into separate channels one for each track/lane, or it will let you separate individual pitches (MIDI note values) into their own lanes. The former is only useful if you have a MIDI file coded to contain multiple tracks in a single file. The latter is almost exclusively useful if you want to separate a drum track (where each note is a separate instrument) into separate tracks/lanes for each instrument. If what you want to do is separate parts of a keyboard performance where each note is a separate note on the same instrument, say in order to split the right hand from the left hand part, that feature would give you a separate lane for each note not for each part. That would give you a couple of dozen different tracks/lanes one for each keyboard note, and is probably not what you want.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 09:05:38
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2015/07/27 09:56:10
Yes indeed it does... joden No you are wrong - Yamaha DOES use a single midi channel for its four part Performances, sorry!
and indeed as suggested there are several ways to filter out the keystrokes per performance part.. from simple (clone times three and delete in note ranges), to cal scripts or whatever. HOWEVER The MOXF also has three modes of operation.. and MASTER mode will do exactly what you wish.. and it is simple enough to recreate any given performance as a master setup...where you can use 4 midi channels. Another way is to simply use the VST3 editor and make the setup there as a multi, where you can use 1-16 channels.. and there are videos about setting up Sonar with Motif (actually its one of mine) and there are notes on Yamaha support site about editor setup with Sonar. hth
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 09:48:52
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@joden Let me know if you figure it out. . . I have a MOX8 and this would be useful. I have a love/hate relationship with Performance Mode. . . if they just added a few more features it would be so much better.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 10:17:43
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On a Roland type synth ROMpler there are parts and performance modes. For Roland a performance is more than one part being used to create a sound. Here the way to capture it is with a sysex dump to Sonar. The MIDI can be captured with a MIDI save to some disk or memory stick. That can be imported into the Sonar project where the sysex is. Though, I would record the MIDI as it is being played into Sonar. I don't know anything about the Yamaha synths except they are different in how they approach MIDI. My only understanding is in GM and how Yamaha handles it. This would not apply to your situation. Surely the manual will explain how to use a DAW with your synth. The Roland XV 5080 manual does.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 13:40:09
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Mystic38 ..........and there are videos about setting up Sonar with Motif (actually its one of mine) and there are notes on Yamaha support site about editor setup with Sonar. hth
Could you provide a link please?
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 14:21:09
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 19:37:29
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jeez Sir Les - why on earth did you think that would be useful? Been using and manipulating MIDI for 25 years...the thread is about how to strip down Motif arps which are all played on a single MIDI channel (four parts at once) into separate tracks without a mountina of work to determine what note belongs to what instrument, and pitch and velocity mean nothing as all the tracks have verying pitches and velocities. Simple answer is it cannot be done simply so the best solution is to just record it to the onboard sequencer and then save that as a midi file and then try to work on that...MAYBE master mode (or song mode) might allow further identification, I don't know at this stage.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 19:42:01
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http://youtu.be/cDCprqddPlg
That seems the video referenced above.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 19:49:57
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The link provided by Les is one to Noteworty Composer and describes the difference between type 0,1 midi files??? However YOUR link mettelus is correct, thanks. Although it is fro setting up the VST in X3, I am running Platinum and I already have the VST3 setup and working. Again, this is not the focus of the thread. Seems to be everything but
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 20:30:02
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joden jeez Sir Les - why on earth did you think that would be useful? Been using and manipulating MIDI for 25 years...the thread is about how to strip down Motif arps which are all played on a single MIDI channel (four parts at once) into separate tracks without a mountina of work to determine what note belongs to what instrument, and pitch and velocity mean nothing as all the tracks have verying pitches and velocities. Simple answer is it cannot be done simply so the best solution is to just record it to the onboard sequencer and then save that as a midi file and then try to work on that...MAYBE master mode (or song mode) might allow further identification, I don't know at this stage.
Not sure, but I assumed if all the instruments are on one track...then something might be having to do with this link I posted. I do not have issues with a Mox8f...so I just thought of converting it to type ...x As this is something Learnt way back in time...of a sort...in likeness. Sorry if it is of no use....move on, and forget it....I did not say much in that posting...so...I did not say anything of it being...or not being..only what I know could be...is something tied to it in that mode toward it being type o or 1....Just think about it////....no...yes...did it help?...is it setting one can change in that mode this OP is using...perhaps.......and if saving the file for import it stays as is one track with all instruments in it....then what type is it......?....Perhaps you are right.....I should just keep my input to my own self....I've been using midi since it started....and? Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?I have just got a yamaha MOXF8 and I want to record the midi data for performances into Sonar. I need to know how one can separate the parts to individual tracks as the MOXF runs all performance data on a single MIDI channel. Apparently in Cubase there is a control called Dissolve Parts which does this very thing. So if someone can post links to any tutorials on this, or can provide any further information I would be grateful. Thanks ANY INFORMATION? Get a Kronos X like me....and that does not happen...Hows that for input and info...on this freaked out planet called Earth. Chow!
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/27 21:07:18
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You know we are trying to help and your coming back with " I know everything already so don't tell me this". We don't know how much or how little you know about midi. Most people these days don't. In my 30 years of working with midi and sound modules I've never ran across one that would use 1 channel to trigger all instruments?? Seems screwball to me,,. So now I will know in the future that such a beast does exsist. Seems Mystic 38 has a good solution.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/28 00:41:26
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☄ Helpfulby Thedoccal 2015/07/30 06:28:14
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/28 14:05:56
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Thanks VB - never knew that site existed...good tip! @Cactus - never said I knew everything, just trying to figure what the hell a link describing midi format 0/1 files was for?! fwiw I agree re the four parts to one channel thing (only in performance mode) , but that's how it is and I just have to learn to deal with it. Just thought with the number of years this Motif arp system has been around, that a Sonar user might have some learned tricks they could pass on. No biggie if there isn't.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/29 19:05:22
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I guess i am still confused as to why you have not made progress?.. fwiw, this problem has been raised and discussed dozens of times over the years..as its not even Sonar related :).. search/browse motif, mox, moxf, s90xs forums at http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum ..los of threads. 1. you can convert the performance to a master and use that...this way the 4 zones are distinct. 2. you can edit the performance to send arp output to different mid channels 3. you can setup a multi either via song mode or via the VST editor. I really suggest you integrate the VST3 editor into your workflow.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/31 13:08:29
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Probably just my old head mystic38, but I just don't get exactly how one gets the four parts of a performance to export via midi to the PC to four separate tracks..when I use a master to store the perf all four parts still transmit on channel 1 so the end result (at the PC end) is still the same....the need to sort through every note to determine whihc instrument it is to be playing. The workaround I am using is to turn off all but one part, play through the song to record that part...then turn it off and move to the next part....rinse and repeat. Takes a while, but I think it would take me longer to figure out the steps needed to go the other way
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/31 14:31:41
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Why are you using performance mode?
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/31 14:48:15
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Trying to use the performances for putting down songs into Sonar....
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/31 15:08:02
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Performance mode is for live performance. Song and pattern modes are for composing. Song mode is for when you are using the MOFX's internal sequencer. PATTERN MODE is what you want to use with Sonar. There you will have 16 channels. The EASIEST and MOST POWERFUL way is to use the VST/standalone editor that you can download from Yamaha. It shows everything you need to set up and edit the sounds you want for you song. You can use it standalone or as a VSTi plugin inside Sonar. You'll work in MIDI until your song is written and produced, Then you can record the audio from the MOFX one track at a time into Sonar to have it as audio. You will need to read the manual and I highly suggest that you ask question on the Yamaha site I posted earlier. The MOFX is great sounding and very powerful but it does (just like Sonar) have a learning curve.
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Re: Recording Yamaha MOXF8 Performance MIDI data to Sonar?
2015/07/31 15:59:24
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thanks vb I will research Pattern Mode some more and try the editor as well...
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