LENovik
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Recording problem
I'm having trouble getting rid of the sound of my metronone while recording. That is, the metronone sound seems to get recorded. This did not occur in the past. This happens now whether I use the audio metronome or the MIDI one. Ay suggestions? Od course, I do realize I can disable the metronome during recording, but I'm of course talking about when I need a metronone to help me record something.
Setup: Sonar Producer 8.5, M-Audio Delta 66, Midisport 4x4, Intel i5 650 @ 3.2 gHz, 6.0GB RAM, 64 Bit OS. Mackie 14 channel mixer; various synths
Thanks.
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 09:23:28
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Are you recording with a microphone?
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 09:35:15
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I don't know Delta interfaces, do they have a "What You Hear" or similar routing option for recording. If so, that would explain picking up playback in the recording track.
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 09:36:39
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Or, have you got the met enabled during playback?
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 10:26:56
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No, I'm not recording with a mike, and my speakers are turned off anyway. In addition, I screwed up when I copied my setup. That was old--I now have a Focusrite Scarlet 2i2 sound interface. I'll copy the whole setup again below. But before that, to answer one more question, I do not have the Met(ronome) enable during playback.
Thanks for the interest.
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 10:47:12
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Does the Scarlet have a software control mixer that you can bring up, if so see if it has a loop-back function that allows to recorded from the internet.
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 11:35:39
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No the 2i2 and 2i4 do not have mix control. There is no way to route output to input without a cable. So you don't really say where the sound of the metronome is coming from. An important point is whether the sound of the metronome is just coming out of your speakers, or is it being recorded into an audio track. I think your saying the metronome is being mixed in to any audio tracks, right? And possibly these are hardware synths/ right? You say your not using a mike so that rules out the old leaking from headphones issue that is common. So is this a midi track? your playing back or a audio recording of a hardware synth? It's possible your synths have a metronome that is synced to sonars clock. Or if one is multi channel and is receiving the metronome via Midi. The metronome is a buss you can insert in the Buss pane. You can change it's input and it's output. It should default to scarlett 1/2 out, not the master. I'm not sure there is a midi output function but check the metronome control panel and make sure there is no midi output enabled.
post edited by johnnyV - 2014/11/30 11:43:04
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 12:08:17
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Is the Mackie 14 channel mixer in the signal path?
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 14:59:45
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I actually do know where the Metronome sound is coming from. On the same line as the other Metronome choices, at the top of my main Sonar screen, there is a Metronome setup button. ON that field, I get to choose what output channel the metronome sound goes to. I realize now that it's going to one of my hardware synths. And, to answer another question, everything IS going thru my Mackie mixer. I have two outputs coming from the Mackie that contribute to my final mix.
It is interesting what Johnny V says about the bus. Perhaps I could just have the metronome go to another bus.
However, as at least a temp fix, this is what I've now done.
1)I find that I have been playing MIDI files a lot lately--ie, songs with many MIDI tracks. I have found that when I try to record one of my hardware synth sounds to an audio track, not only does the metronome get recorded, but every MIDI track as well. Of course, I could solo just one MIDI track, but I'd still get that one track recorded while I'm recording another audio instrument track. Therefore, what I just started doing today was to just making a quick audio recording of all my MIDI tracks playing their respective sounds at once. THen, I just use that as a reference to record a new audio track. I solo that new audio recording, and don't need a metronome anymore. I find that when I record an audio track, other audio tracks do not enter into my mix.
Hope that's clear.
Thanks for all your input.
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Re: Recording problem
2014/11/30 23:29:31
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You should really give soft synths a try. It's certainly way easier to work internally ( in the Box)
There's not much that cannot be duplicated with a soft synth that any hardware synth can do.
Your doing things the hard way and it gets confusing.
There are good reasons to use hardware too, but if you haven't tried soft synths you really are missing out on what using a DAW is all about.
Once you have a drum track you can shut the metronome off.
Insert Session drummer or even TTS-1 and get some drums going, even just a hi hat.
But the metronome is highly customizable.
I use the audio metronome. When you use the Audio metronome it does not send via midi ports. I have a Korg 05/RW as well as my Yamaha DTX drums.. I have to be careful about sending midi when not wanted..otherwise I'm haunted by midi ghosts.
Most templates like Normal include the metronome as a buss.
If it is not included in the buss pain it is easy to add.
Insert a stereo buss and name it METRO
Assign it's output to your audio interface 1/2 or 3/4 to hear it in your studio monitors.
Now open the Metronome settings and choose audio metronome and set the output to your new METRO buss.
Now you can control the metronomes volume and even mute it.
If you assign it to your Master buss and it is set to sound during playback, it will be recorded to your exported mix. Some times people actually want this.. but most don't want it in the song so therefore sending it directly to the interface avoids this from accidentally happening.
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Re: Recording problem
2014/12/01 19:47:27
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Thanks. That is very clear. I think the reason I have not had this problem before is that I usually use the "Normal" template, which, as you say, is already routed correctly. I happen now to be using a downloaded MIDI file, so I'll try what you say.
I have used hardware synths for years, though you might wonder about this since I"m having my share of problems. However, it's hard to turn my head on these synths. I have a Korg Triton, Korg Kronos, Yamaha Motif ES, Roland Integra 7, and a Roland EXP30. It's hard to ignore these devices. They also sound pretty good. I'm not saying one can't approximate these sounds with virtual synths. It's just that I aready have them, so I"m used to using them. I guess it would be easier in some ways with the setup your propose. Most of the time, I have not time with my setup--ie, they seem to blend pretty easily together.
Thanks again.
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