Reliable Video codecs with X1 64 bit

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2011/05/04 23:12:46 (permalink)

Reliable Video codecs with X1 64 bit

    Yes there are many threads on the video codec subject but they are always mixed with with people who are using 32 bit Sonar.  I am trying to see if we can find a list of video types that work with X1 64 bit.  I always have to convert Quicktime movies to WMV using a free converter which makes a watermark  I then make the music, export music and reinput it into Quicktime as a reference.  It's always been a hassle.  Quicktime can export to both MPEG4 and AVI which are listed as acceptable formats for Sonar in the help, however neither will import into Sonar/X1 64 bit.  Here is my short list of formats thats work for me in Sonar 64 bit
 
WMV - Converted using AVS video converter.  If you do not license it then you get the water mark on the movie.
 
Anyone have other formats that work in 64 bit? 
 
If there are, can you also list how you are converting them.  IE Sony Vegas - other video converters, free or paid.
Hopefully we can compile a list of compatible 64 bit formats and how we are converting them. 


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    Re:Reliable Video codecs with X1 64 bit 2011/05/05 10:09:09 (permalink)
    A while back, I did some significant testing of lots of codecs and containers. There are only a few that work with 64 bit Sonar and Win 7 64 bit out of the box. Here they are:

    Avi with mpeg4 codec -- works well
    Avi with mjpeg codec -- works fantastically
    wmv of various types -- works ok
    mpg with mpeg 1 -- works ok (not mpeg 2, which doesn't work)

    That's about it.  I tested all sorts of file types and codecs, and that's all that worked.  When I say "works ok" or "well", or "fantastic", I'm referring mostly to scrub speed and navigation. The mpeg formats (including wmv, which is an mpeg 4 variant (or mpeg 10?)) have difference frames in them that take a small bit of time to calculate when scrubbing or navigating in Sonar.  Mjpeg stores each frame as a separate image so it's nice and snappy. File sizes are larger with mjpeg, but it works really, really well.

    Now, how to create:
    I use WinFF which is a free front end to ffmpeg.  It's a simple drag-n-drop converter. Set the type to "AVI" and use the "MS Compatible AVI" preset to get an AVI with mpeg 4 codec.  It doesn't include a mjpeg preset out of the box, but I might be able to whip one up.  WinFF will convert quicktimes.

    Microsoft has a free tool to create wmv files: Expression Encoder. It works, but I prefer WinFF for its small simplicity.

    Or you could learn the ffmpeg command line, but it's a bit of a bear. If you want to give it a whirl, I can help.
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    Re:Reliable Video codecs with X1 64 bit 2011/05/05 12:32:24 (permalink)
    Thanks Tarsier, great info.  I will try the out WinFF
     
    Edit.  The AVI> MS compatiible AVI conversion would still not import.  Invalid Codec unrecognized file error etc etc.  Is there anything I have to edit under the options before the conversion?
    post edited by LpMike75 - 2011/05/05 12:47:35


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    Re:Reliable Video codecs with X1 64 bit 2011/05/06 10:53:31 (permalink)
    I just tried it and it worked for me. I'm on Win 7 64 bit. I see in your sig that you have Vista? Maybe that's the problem, Vista doesn't like that codec?
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    Re:Reliable Video codecs with X1 64 bit 2011/05/06 11:48:30 (permalink)
    I'm in vista 64 bit and I have to say that I'm pretty much getting the same results as TARSIER.   I do not pay close attention to codecs,  but AVI's work great,  Mpeg1s are fine.  Lately I toss my Quictime into Vegas and generate a Mpeg 1 just cause mpegs will allow me to back up the whole project at the midi + a couple of solo instruments level on 1 DVD.  Once i generate stems for a final mix plus an hour's worth of AVI files and the project can get huge. 

    post edited by Jimbo 88 - 2011/05/06 11:49:54
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    Re:Reliable Video codecs with X1 64 bit 2011/05/06 13:59:34 (permalink)
    Thanks for testing Jimbo, I will contact tech support and see if they can figure out a reason no AVI's will import for me. 


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