Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic!

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2011/12/04 21:09:54 (permalink)

Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic!

I was up in the attic pulling out christmas decorations and saw it again, I had forgotten my father in-law gave it to me years ago because he had no clue what to do with it....   So I was thinking COOL!  Now I gotta figure out what I can do with it! 
 
It's an Akai GX-77  Reel to Reel deck.


 
Along with it is a Harman/Kardon hk3500 (3 head cassette deck)

 
Any of you analog guys know how I might best implement the reel to reel?  Looks like it's 1/4 in tape with 7 inch reels which is cool because I am sure I have a reel from a recording my old band did around 97 that should fit it I think.
 

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    AT
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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/05 10:38:51 (permalink)
    First, be careful w/ the tape if it is old.  A lot of problems w/ shedding.  You can bake old tapes to stop that problem, but you can't use it like a regular tape.  Ampex was bad about this, so be careful.

    Otherwise, it looks like an consumer model - I'm not familiar w/ akai tapemachines.  If it is a quarter track (meaning you can record a stereo signal to the end of the tape and then flip it over so you can record another) the sound could still work - about the same track width as a 1/2 inch 8 track.  My old stuff holds up incredibly well considering it was done on "pro-sumer" and I recorded some national releases on it as well as incidental music for a major film release.  Of course, the high end tape machines that so many remember the sound of were engineering marvels from top to bottom.  I mean, they were spin offs from the technology that was used in getting people to the moon and nuclear weapons.  Well engineered doesn't get close to how much was invested in them, while the audio engineers (the white coat guys and inventors) were best in class too.  Tape can provide some of the sound, but the electronics used also imparted much.  So if you plan to use the machine for anything other than effects, you'll need to get it worked on.  Calibrated, aligned etc.  And see if it still runs - some of the electronics might have gone bad while it was setting there.

    So check the machine, check the tape and then check to see if it does something you like to your sound.  It may add something to your sound running guitars or drums, or rounding off your synths.  Use it as a send.  If you like that, you might find you like using it to record your whole mix through like a master bus compressor to "jell" your songs.  Be advised, tho, that a lot of modern music styles skips tape - I know a local guy doing a lot of hip hop etc. that sold his MCI 24 track since it just sat there unused and there was cost involved keeping it running.  Even the rock n rollers didn't use it.

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/05 12:17:32 (permalink)
    AT,
       Thanks for the reply.  From what I have read about it, it is a consumer model that was pretty high end when it came out.  In 1980 it was sold for about $995, and was down to I think $800 or so when it was discontinued in around 86.  I seems it records a left & right going forward then a L/R stereo track in reverse so there would be no need to flip the tape.   I managed to find and download an owners manul for it last night.  I don't know?  I was thinking of maybe recording guitars to it first, then dump that into the daw an see what it sounds like...?    I can tell ya this, My other guitarist is going to have to brush up as he rarely makes it through anything in a single take and I am not messing with punch ins to tape....  One shot willie or forgetaboutit!

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/05 13:52:57 (permalink)
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    AT,
       Thanks for the reply.  From what I have read about it, it is a consumer model that was pretty high end when it came out.  In 1980 it was sold for about $995, and was down to I think $800 or so when it was discontinued in around 86.  I seems it records a left & right going forward then a L/R stereo track in reverse so there would be no need to flip the tape.   I managed to find and download an owners manul for it last night.  I don't know?  I was thinking of maybe recording guitars to it first, then dump that into the daw an see what it sounds like...?    I can tell ya this, My other guitarist is going to have to brush up as he rarely makes it through anything in a single take and I am not messing with punch ins to tape....  One shot willie or forgetaboutit!


    then maybe you should record him digitally first, then record that good take from sonar onto the tape, then back to sonar?

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/05 16:15:06 (permalink)
    Here is another thought if you want to try. It goes into integrating a analog deck into your DAW. The initial setup takes some time and you need to remember to start the deck, but if you have separate record and playback heads and repro capabilities on the deck, you can probably get it going.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bswx5zrFRl0


    I have an old Tascam 80-8 that I may pull out of mothballs and try. It takes some setup, but depending on the quality of the deck, could be rewarding??

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/05 20:44:49 (permalink)
    Ya that's a typical consumer deck from the 80's. I had a sister machine back then. 

    They only go to 7 IPS are 1/4 track  and they used sketchy noise reduction that didn't always work that well. I've had a few of them I used for tape transfers. The ones you want are the 1/2 tracks that run at 10IPS. 
    If it's like the one I had, the record and playback heads are separated and this caused a ( rather cool) delay when trying sound with sound. I was hugely disappointed with this.  Sorry but they are simply museum pieces and not likely to enhance your recordings. The most fun you can have with it is make a loop echo machine. My guess is the electronics are shot and all the pots would be scratchy. Put it on a shelf in the studio cause I think they look cool. 




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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/05 20:54:16 (permalink)
    Put it on a shelf in the studio cause I think they look cool. 



    I'd say that's probly the best use.

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/06 00:54:11 (permalink)
    YAY!!!  I've been storing a *%$#ing anchor in the attic for years!!
    Owwwell....

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/06 01:28:37 (permalink)
    There are lots of cool things to do w/ tape - the slap back echo thing being one of them.  And for lowfi-ing guitars and drums.  I didn't watch the video but you can line up hits manually if you record and/or if you use it on a bus.  I would definately play with it, even if it isn't a high-end mastering machine.  It is another toy in the attic - now come out.  As an effect, you won't need to have a lot of work done to it - just the tape part.

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/06 13:19:29 (permalink)
    It will never keep up with digital in the signal to noise ratio. I had a four channel AKAI tape reel to reel deck (until I wrecked it) and it also had 15IPS to record with. Usually the slowest speed (3-3/4IPS) was the quietest speed with a signal to noise ratio of around 64db and not much higher at the fastest speed of 15IPS at 62db signal to noise ratio. It used 1/4 inch tape and even could have the big reels (not 7 inch but perhaps 10-12 inches) but that is all that it was. That is all that it will ever be, and although probably useable if it still works, they only work so good. Digital is way better and so are CD's so although mine was an earlier model (sometime in the '70's) I doubt if any reel to reel did any better unless it was a 2 inch studio tape deck used in studios at the time. And I think if I remember correctly some of those went up to 30IPS which probably means about 1 song per big reel used on the thing.

    Naw, everyone went digital because it is just better.
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    You may be dreaming on what it could really do, which is not much considering digital equipment nowadays.

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/06 13:26:30 (permalink)
    I like rolling the tape reels down the street.
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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/06 18:24:30 (permalink)
    Ok guys, I appreciate the insight.  I probably won't put any money into it.  I just wanted to see if it might be useful, the conscensus seems to be that it's not really useful for much, or not worth the trouble.   I pluged it in and the lights come on and the rollers seem to move...  Maybe I can sell it?  I saw a few of them on craigslist and ebay, most priced between $200-$350   Sounds like I'd be better served putting that money into a good analog tape sim plug.

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/06 21:59:23 (permalink)
    No matter what the shape, it will sound better than just about any plugin sim.

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/07 01:27:21 (permalink)
    http://www.vintage-audio.com.ua/en/cat/39/46.html

    ya, about the same as mine actually except mine was 4 channel - one way. Forget the model number now. Some purist may want it. I know another person who has a cheaper one (kept for old band tapes) while he sold his 2 channel AKAI a long time ago.
    Back in those days, it was okay for taping, but things have changed. It is like some people prefer vinyl over digital (because there is some digital noise) because they think it is smoother or something like that.

    You can always try it, but then I doubt if you would use it much at all really and it probably only has RCA phono outputs and inputs.
    Come to think about it, I have two different model DBX boxes (instead of dolby noise reduction) still sitting around, that were made to be used to increase the signal to noise ratio of tape decks (cassettes) while one can even expand the music (but only a little otherwise it will pump) and do the noise reduction also and then you have to play it back through the unit with the play part also. I suppose they still work. I was just going to throw those away since they were bought in 1978. I wonder if they still work?
    Model 122, and model 128, but then DBX also has way newer stuff that is all digital now and much better for compression and gates and all of that also they sell nowadays.

    Probably belongs in a museum somewhere (if there is such a thing like that anywhere).

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    Re:Remembered today that I have a vintage Akai Reel to Reel in the attic! 2011/12/07 01:29:47 (permalink)
    Come to think about it - does anyone even sell reel to reel tape anymore??
    I don't even look to even see.


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