Remixing with loops

I have a completed song that I wish to remix by adding some commercial loops to the arrangement (Such as you can buy from Producer Loops, etc.)
 
Many of the loops you can buy specify that they will adapt to key and tempo.  But I want them to adapt to the existing chord progressions in the song.  I think this cannot be done with audio loops, but I wonder if it can be done with MIDI loops, and how difficult that might be.
 
Am I correct regarding using MIDI loops?  Are there any existing tutorials showing this procedure?
 
Thanks, Don

I believe acidized loops will respond to key change markers un song.

Having the the loop respond to key changes, i believe would change the chords since sound would shift entire sound to adjust to change...at least that is my guess. Personally i never tried that. I would manually cut the part of the chord i wanted to change and shift it manually and bounce to new file

bvideo.......That pretty well states some of the problems involved.  Which is why I asked the question about MIDI loops.
 
I am under the impression that music in MIDI form can be changed according to your own specifications, which you cannot do with audio loops in the same way.
 
So back to my original question:  Am I correct that I would be able to have MIDI loops changed without problems so as to correlate with my chord progressions?  (I think this is a different question than trying to use Sonar's Groove Clips.)

I will post my original comment again,
""This can be achieved by drawing in your notes for the midi track/soft synth of choice in the PRV""
 
Drawing/editing notes by hand in the PRV will allow you to cut, copy, paste, change keys, velocity's, exc.

That's the same thing Chuck is saying.  

groovey1

dscoyne
 
Could it be done the same way in Sonar, grabbing groups of notes and moving them up or down?

Yes, you can do the same thing, or you can use the Transpose command on the selected notes. If you want to change the chord's quality -- for example, major to minor-- you would have to start manipulating the individual notes.

Thanks, that helps clarify.  I guess I will wind up changing one note in a lot of the chords since I use many minor chords in my songs.
 
If Sonar had a chord track, that would be a big help to many songwriters.  Or if one could type in a chord in the staff view and have it sound in the production.

A chord track would be helpful in Splat for songwriters who are not proficient on keyboards, I find the chord track in Cubase very helpful, and would like to see one in Sonar Platinum!

I have to learn more about using MIDI other than basic steps. The transpose plug in looks very helpful. And that Sonar MIDI will constrain to keys and more automatically when drawing chords or notes in is something I haven't used before.

Joe_A

dscoyne

dubdisciple
I believe acidized loops will respond to key change markers un song.

Thanks for response, but that is one of the problems I have with terminology.  I don't want to change KEY; if the song is written in the key of C, I want to keep it there.  What I want is the ability to change the chords within that key so they will match my chord sequences.
 
I am not sure if the phrase "key change markers" is used for convenience as another way of saying the same thing???
 

When you say chord sequences are you talking about chords in a rhythm guitar track (or other instrument), or riffs in measures, or a base line, to be duplicated at places across verses, or?

How many verses, bridges, etc in your song and how long is the song?
😊 my interest and creative bone is piqued now. I'm trying to picture your "deliverable" , the song structure and how to add to it.
I know this is too much to share, no worries...but let us know how the final mix sounds.

I'll share!  If you were to look at a "fake book," you would see that all the included songs' sheet music is in the form of "lead sheets," which typically have just one staff with notes for the main melody, chord symbols above the bars for the harmony, plus lyrics.  The sequence of these chord symbols is, by definition, the chord sequences, or "chord progressions."  All instruments with pitches in a production would normally be playing the same indicated harmony.
 
Since I am a non-performing songwriter, I do notation instead of laying down a track, and that is the form I use with a free notation program called MuseScore.  MIDI then becomes very important to me because I then export the song as a MIDI file into an arranging program.  Some writers use Band-in-a-Box for this purpose,,,,I use Jammer Pro (which unfortunately is no longer being supported, but still works).
 
I then save the resulting arrangement as a MIDI file and open it in Sonar, where I can then add a vocal and improve the quality of the instruments.
 
And this gets to the reason why I am interested in using Loops (my original question), because I want to update some of these arrangements to get a more contemporary sound.  These loops would have to match up with the harmonies (the chords) of my original compositions.
 
The productions that I make of my songs are primarily to get feedback and critiques on each song before arranging for a professional demo to be produced, usually in Nashville.  But that could change some if I can get up to speed in the use of current loops.
 
As to your question about the structure of my songs:  Usually they have 2 or 3 verses, a repeated chorus, and a bridge, but some are in AABA structure without a chorus.  To hear some of them, and to analyze the structure by looking at the lyrics, you can go to:
http://www.broadjam.com/doncoyne
 
Hope that helps..........Don