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2016/04/15 13:43:02 (permalink)

Remote control Sonar using ipad

I recently saw a post on You Tube  displaying a software for the iPad called eyoControl app giving remote access to Sonar using  rtpMIDI.  I've never heard of this but when I saw the tutorial video my my mind was blown away. 
 
Who has experienced this on their iPad and how well does this work. I have and iPad 2 collecting dust but if this works, it will come out of the cabinet.
 
Are there any similar software's on the marking providing the same capabilities but even better? Do Tell !!!  
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6RDpijkme4
 
rtpMIDI site.    http://www.tobias-erichse.de/software/rtpmidi.html
rptMIDI tutorial  http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/rtpmidi/rtpmidi-tutorial.html
post edited by Jesse G - 2016/04/16 23:14:27

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/15 13:48:34 (permalink)
I have eyoControl, V-Control Pro 1 and AC-7 Core. All work well.
(V-Control Pro 1 doesn't use rtpMIDI, they have their own sw for that)
 


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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/15 13:57:42 (permalink)
I've been using V-Control for a while now. Works pretty well as a mixer-style controller.

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/15 15:38:49 (permalink)
Going to look for these software's when I get home.  No more running back and forth between the Mic and the DAW. 

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/15 18:25:32 (permalink)
Hi. I actually bought a bunch of these iPad apps to control SONAR (V-Control and the AC-7 "package" one night after a few too many beers), but I have yet not tried a single one. I went so far as to install rtpMIDI, and there it stopped as I felt a little overwhelmed as to what to try next. I also need an iPad holder for my mic stand (excuses, excuses). But I will check this thread later to (hopefully get some advice / feedback as well as) see how things works out for you. (Rant over)
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/15 18:50:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg71 2016/04/15 19:16:00
Zargg71,
 
I hope something works out for the both of us.  I will post my experience when I arrive home and try eyoControl

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 03:22:07 (permalink)
I have my iPad setup as an extra monitor which means portable touch screen for Sonar...Very handy.
 
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 05:52:32 (permalink)
I use AC-7 here, it works very well.

Having said that, I don't use it nearly so much as I did in the beginning. If I only need control of start /stop etc. remotely, I use my wireless keyboard. Not so high tech, but effective.

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 11:40:16 (permalink)
there are a bunch of ios and android apps that will control Sonar.. its a great use for older android & ios phones to be remote transport controls

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 11:49:27 (permalink)
Sort of a hijack ,sorry, but while were taking iPads, does anybody use a bluetooth foot controller to scroll through lyrics? I remember a thread talking about this but it's not easy to find old threads anymore around here. 
I find finger swipes overshoot my pages. 
 

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 15:18:13 (permalink)
I found the best video for setting up AC-7 on the iPad and a Windows DAW.  It works great!! The RTPmidi is a free download from  RTPMidi site and AC-7 for the iPad is only $4.99 from the Apple Apps store from within the iPad. 
 
Oh, Most important part.  I wondered why I could never get this to work in the beginning.  YOU HAVE TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF BONJOUR and BONJOUR PRINT when you install RTPMidi (This allows RTPMidi to detect the iPad over the wireless network. 
 
I kept stopping the installation initially of Bonjour because I didn't want it on my DAW as I don't use iTunes on it, but for this to work, I had to allow Bonjour to be installed.
 
AC- Core is Grey
 

 
The AC-7 Core HD is Black
 

 
The image below shows how it looks on my iPAD 2

 
I love this..
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 17:40:43 (permalink)
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Sort of a hijack ,sorry, but while were taking iPads, does anybody use a bluetooth foot controller to scroll through lyrics? I remember a thread talking about this but it's not easy to find old threads anymore around here. 
I find finger swipes overshoot my pages. 
 




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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 19:24:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ChrisOnCake 2017/02/16 10:25:40
OK update on the installation
 
The set up takes several attempts so don't get discouraged.
 
First make sure you iPad is on
Next open "rtpMID"  and everything will be blank. The iPad name may appear in the directory name box, this is OK.
 
Setup in "rtpMID" 
 
1.  Click the + symbol under my sessions and the default computer name will appear with the same name displaying for Local name and Bonjour Name.
 
2.   Click the Enable button above the Local name and Bonjour name and rename the Local name to DAW or somethings similar change the Bonjour name to something short as well.  Now you will see the new name in My sessions, so click DAW or whatever you named it.
 
3.  in the bottom left hand corner, make sure the words "Only computers in my directory" is showing and close "rtpMID".
 
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4.  Download AC-7 to your iPad.
 
6.  Open "rtpMID" on your computer.
 
7.  See your iPad's name and click connect.
 
8.  Open  AC-7 in the iPad and click set up and select Sonar  You will see the name you created pop up on AC7 so click OK for all popups on the iPad.
 
9.  Now open Sonar click P on the key board on the DAW
 
10.  Click midi devices and click the in and out for the name you created for "rtpMID"
11.  Click midi control surface and select the yellow plus sign and select Mackie Control and add the  midi port names you created for the in and outs.
 
12.  Now in the Sonar Dock Control at the top, look for Controller and click the drop drop down box and select the Mackie Controller.
 
13.  Open a project or create anew project
 
14.  Press Rest on the iPad for AC-7 and watch the faders fly.
 
 
The first name in  RPTMidi will become the name of the MDI shown ports in Sonar
If you already have a hardware controller installed in Sonar you will have to select the last one created for the iPad to respond.  and hit reset.
 
Hit Reset in AC7 after every change made to a settings in rtpMID
 
I hope this helps you all.
post edited by Jesse G - 2016/04/18 08:02:34

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/16 23:55:53 (permalink)
I have never had a lot of luck with RTP midi working consistently. I now use Lemur which has an excellent Sonar template and has its own connection utility that works flawlessly. It is slightly more expensive ($25 US) but a worthwhile investment.

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/17 01:30:41 (permalink)
Lemur wasn't for me, it involved some area of programming in which I am not fond of.   AC-7 HD has been running since I download it early this afternoon.  I had the iPad on all day and I went out to dinner and came back and when I pressed play, the track started playing via AC-7 HD on th  iPad.
 
So far I like this and it meets my needs.  I have gone through all of the buttons and I have had a few disappointments, but I would say the majority of the buttons worked.   The iPad is not here to replace my MCU, it's basically a remote transport control and for $4.99, it's worth it. 
 
Channel fader control, record, stop, scrub, insert audio tracks. arm and record, selects tracks, mute, solo is all I need when I get out of my engineer chair and still need access to Sonar. 

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/17 01:46:57 (permalink)
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Lemur wasn't for me, it involved some area of programming in which I am not fond of.   AC-7 HD has been running since I download it early this afternoon.  I had the iPad on all day and I went out to dinner and came back and when I pressed play, the track started playing via AC-7 HD on th  iPad.
 
So far I like this and it meets my needs.  I have gone through all of the buttons and I have had a few disappointments, but I would say the majority of the buttons worked.   The iPad is not here to replace my MCU, it's basically a remote transport control and for $4.99, it's worth it. 
 
Channel fader control, record, stop, scrub, insert audio tracks. arm and record, selects tracks, mute, solo is all I need when I get out of my engineer chair and still need access to Sonar. 


Glad to hear it is working well for you now. Over time I ran into issues on reconnection after shutdown on a very regular basis. It could usually be resolved by reinstalling or system restarting but it was just too inconsistent for use in live performance.
 
Programming in Lemur is now a non issue as you can just download the template and it will work.
 
As in all things there are many choices, and we will all have our favourite s that work for us.

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2016/04/17 17:17:26 (permalink)
V-Control is pricey.  I like how Studio One and Image Line created one their own for users.  I have a lot of those iPad apps for DAW but the cuteness wore off. I even had that one where the iPad becomes a dual monitor. I removed it because of little after effects it does to your PC.

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/09 23:13:48 (permalink)
That is RAD!
 
I want an ipad now.
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/10 02:20:04 (permalink)
Not Bluetooth or Apple, but ... I use a switch closure to USB Keyboard adapter on my Win 10 lyrics PC and it works well! I didn't like the finger swipes either, wanted to keep my hands on my guitar while playing live; hence the pedals.
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/10 06:29:49 (permalink)
Sometimes, standing at a mic doing a vocal take when you are not near your keyboard, using AC7 on an iPad makes things so much easier. 

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/14 18:18:41 (permalink)
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I have my iPad setup as an extra monitor which means portable touch screen for Sonar...Very handy.
 
https://itunes.apple.com/...splay/id935754064?mt=8


This looks interesting. I have a piano that I record with, and it's quite a stretch to reach my mouse to work with Sonar. I have two monitors now, one HDMI one DVI. Can I have a third monitor via USB? And are you saying Sonar responds to the iPad touchscreen? One of the things I do quite a bit is CTRL-Z to erase/undo a take. 😀

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/14 22:37:52 (permalink)
rtpMidi drove me nuts at first. It was too finicky to set up. Once running AC7 was not bad.

V-Control and its associated software worked out of the box, so i tend to stick to that now, and use it to stop/start recording and playback mostly. I bought their first version but will not be upgrading to the second as i don't want to "rent" it.

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/17 11:24:25 (permalink)
Tenfoot,
 
what do you set up in Sonar to act as the control surface when you are using Lemur?  And what third-party virtual MIDI ports, such as loopMIDI or loopbe, are you using?  And do you have a link to download the Sonar template for Lemur?
 
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/17 11:42:27 (permalink)
Hey Bwbalint.
 
The Sonar template is here:
https://liine.net/en/community/user-library/view/342/
The download includes complete setup instructions.
 
You will also need the lemur editor/daemon installer for Windows which is here:
https://liine.net/en/downloads/lemur
 
The third party virtual ports that I use are loopbe30, which can be found here:
http://nerds.de/en/loopbe30.html
 

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/17 11:48:44 (permalink)
I recently switched to DAW Remote HD, too many midi drivers were being installed by V-Control Pro and caused issues with the ten midi limit.


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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/17 13:51:08 (permalink)
Thanks!  I downloaded all that.  And Lemur Daemon sees all the midi ports, as does the iPhone app Lemur.  The only thing I don't see is the 'connect' button that the Mackie instructions say are above the 'rec' button on the Mackie page of the Lemur app. 
 
Has it been moved, or am I just not seeing it.  Looking at the Mackie page in the Lemur editor doesn't seem to show either.  the Lemur editor syncs nicely with the iPhone app.
 
Thanks for your help.
 
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/17 15:03:37 (permalink)
I did find it.  Apparently the first Mackie Project was an earlier edition without the 'connect' button.  I then went to the link you supplied and downloaded that version.  This time when it loads on my phone from the editor, the 'connect' button shows up.  This version is a slightly different formatting than the previous. 
 
Thanks.  I will be testing this out. 
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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/17 20:25:45 (permalink)
Glad you found it Bart. I actually use it on an android phone and tablet but I am sure it will be just as reliable on the iPhone. 
 
 

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Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/18 17:30:20 (permalink)
Success!! I tried using Sonar's 'Mackie control' as the setup for Lemur, but it never connected.  I then used 
  • Alexey Zhelezov's AZController and voila! it connected and works just like my MCU PRO.  And I am using LoopMIDI, which is free.  Now I will save everything and hope Sonar remembers it all.  I will probably edit the Lemur setup that I have, as there are a few things I really don't use.  Best of all I can now go back to my 'isolation room' and add new tracks, arm and record at will!  Thanks!
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    Re: Remote control Sonar using ipad 2017/01/18 22:32:37 (permalink)
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    Success!! I tried using Sonar's 'Mackie control' as the setup for Lemur, but it never connected.  I then used 
     
    • Alexey Zhelezov's AZController and voila! it connected and works just like my MCU PRO.  And I am using LoopMIDI, which is free.  Now I will save everything and hope Sonar remembers it all.  I will probably edit the Lemur setup that I have, as there are a few things I really don't use.  Best of all I can now go back to my 'isolation room' and add new tracks, arm and record at will!  Thanks!


    Haha- great news Bart! It is brilliant having a wireless remote for Sonar.
  • I haven't tried connecting to Lemur using Alexey's controller as Mackie Control worked fine for me, but I have no doubt it will work well. He is a clever dude:) 

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